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Good evening welcome to the Northampton
city council meeting of December fifth

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twenty third scene I'm City Council
president killed wife and I am presiding

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tonight. As per our costume
we're going to open we. Public

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comment the public is invited to speak
on any topic and limit their remarks to

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three minutes please the council is precluded
by our rules from responding so any

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questions positive will be left unanswered
I'm afraid at least in the context of

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this meeting. When I call you up please
come to the podium state your name and your

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address and have at it and we're going
to start with Liz Why not whose first.

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I. Mean why not and I'm cured
representing the top three help me. OK At

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sixteen second Street in downtown
Northampton. The first thing I want to say

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is I want to think of the members of the
city council for your continued support of

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the top three Health nearly exchange since
it opened up eighteen years ago I first

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want to mention that we're having an
anniversary event tomorrow at the Media

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Education Foundation at the Francis Crick
theater on the Sonic street and that

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starts at six pm We'll be showing different
films we've been involved in and there

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will be

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a discussion including remarks by city
president. And we invite you all to attend

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so I came here tonight and solidarity
with never another death month and to be

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witness to this proclamation you know how
important this causes from my work with

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the needle exchange and also from growing
up in the city I've been personally

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a witness to the deep impact that alcohol
and drug use has had here. For those

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unfamiliar with what we do we intend to
meet the needs of those in the midst of

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their addiction and to work with them
through harm reduction framework we offer

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a Chevy appetite to see an S.G.I.

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Counseling and testing overdose prevention
in our can training roles to treatment

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and ongoing counseling abstinence from
drugs and alcohol is one of our goals

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however we also realize that addiction is

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a reality of life for many and we try our
hardest to keep those currently addicted

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to opiates and other drugs as safe as
possible. One issue I just want to quickly

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hire highlights in A is the
rising incidence of hepatitis C.

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Among those under twenty five years of
age. The state surveillance from the

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mass partner public health
in highlighted in the M.M.W.

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Are reports has shown that starting in
two thousand and two in Massachusetts

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there's been an increase
of newly diagnosed Hep C.

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Infection among youth ages fifteen to twenty
five specifically between two thousand

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and two and two thousand and ten which
is the most recent data I could find an

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increase of sixty five to one hundred thirty
five cases per one thousand population

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Massachusetts was reported its age group
in the data suggest that the increase is

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due to youth injecting drugs mostly
heroin. And my own experience as

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a local public health professional I've
also seen the same trend it's too common

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that someone will come to us barely over
the age of eighteen and already have

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hepatitis C.

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And to me this indicates significant drug
use during the teen years long term use

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in acquisition of a virus
such as hepatitis C.

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Has been shown to increase the risk of

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a feeler overdose and also transmission
of other diseases like HIV. As never as

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never another death I lay It's YOUR
needs to be more treatment options for

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adolescents it's far too easy for you to
fall through the cracks and they start

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using drugs more attention needs to be
given to this issue through advocating for

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Greece treatment rehabilitation options and
other services thank you thank you very

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much. Joyce said and please.

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I am to

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a save in Russia sixty seven Westry ninety
I'm ten and I want to thank the mayor

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and the City Council for this proclamation
tonight we spent the last year working

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with many others and recovery we've had
many wonderful experiences in this

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community and other communities
we want to thank a base

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a builders and Dakin for their donation
project because of this we were able to

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posts our para one
killed someone I love up

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a sticker on the construction site
three. Cents September which gets

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a lot of traffic flow also the Michael J.

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Foundation and the law school system who
sponsored Chris have Brown who was asked

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about junkie and October twenty
eighth he is on. The book Fall

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River dreams and he became

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a heroin addict we were so privileged to
see him tell his story he spoke and over

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four hundred thousand teenagers crisscrossing
the United States his message was

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very powerful honest and life changing
for me and September twenty six we also

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work hard work of remind and pass the state
house and hundreds of people were the

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voices of recovery through more
Massachusetts organization of addiction and

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recovery and I brought some materials we
heard fifteen year old children take the

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microphone and share their story and tell
that they were one year clean up when.

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And. I cried

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a lot because I was so proud to see
these kids take charge of their lives

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my son Matthew thirteen years ago and the
programs that these children are enrolled

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in and are having success and weren't
available that. Teen Challenge also is

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a huge program and they had young solver
musicians who performed and they were

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really incredibly talented and clean and
sober us out there were Recovery High

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Schools from the state of Massachusetts
they are and I want to thank everyone in

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the our community that supports recovery
Harrison house Grace house and of course

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tapestry because every day tapestry saves
lives and gives people an opportunity

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to. Be free from disease
learn about harm reduction

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and make wise choices to be able to live
after their diseases arrested thank you

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thank you Dr Francis Crowe please.

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Frances kraut from three Langmore the
road in Northampton and I'm here to talk

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about the dangers that Vermont Yankee
as there are thousands of spent fuel

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rods up on the banks of that
river very near the river and.

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Five stories high there are more spent
fuel rods there than were it food.

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So if there's a serious storm and anything
happens to that bell today we have

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a Fukushima on the eastern coast of the
United States and I think they should be

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put in dry cast and stored deep
underground not in the flood plain

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because they have to be vented but and I'm
out and Vermont and we're only thirty

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miles from Yankee. Energy the
corporation that owns for much

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wants to mock the plant and not do
anything with the fuel rods and Kellie's

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that more money but I've shed there they
say they're going to operate for sixteen

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more months because they need the money I
think they should shut it down now but if

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they continue to operate I think that money
that they make should go and an escrow

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account to take care of the fuel
rods so I hope you will all look at

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the decommissioning flyer
I gave you and you'll see

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a picture of the stored fuel rod standing
on the banks of the Connecticut River

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and they're there on the banks of the river
because the spent fuel rods have to be

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kept cool with water or running
water and when the plant was

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first authorized it was that they were. It
happened their own cooling system which

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they have but it's Jaipur to use the
Connecticut River to cool the fuel rods

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so they put the hot water in the river and
that's why the river hasn't frozen over

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at Northampton dead doesn't the X.

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Bobette that firm Vernon down to here I
was to Springvale and it's still warm add

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in the face shape at the back of my so
it's an extremely dangerous thing at night

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you know that and it's very important that
because we're only thirty miles that way

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we should really be weighing in on that
and there are more people living and

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Westernesse uses post of mine
yet there are in Vermont almost

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beyond Montpellier the population up
western Massachusetts is that high I feel

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so. Right now what tell you
more about the permit have.

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Thank you very much. Douglas running.
Low My name is Doug Granik I live at

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one

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o five black Birch trail in Florence. And
I work with Francis on the nuclear free

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future coalition of
Western Mass. The N.F.L.

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Is committed to a nuclear free carbon
free future and we're invision

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a renewable energy future
and to that end in F. F.

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Provided to solar coach Susan Lance and
Corps volunteers through the successful

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soul rising North Hampton program that we've
just been completed. So I'm here today

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to invite all of you to the
event on Sunday I gave you

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a copy of this flyer. Will be at
the Bridge Street school on Sunday

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afternoon between two and four. And there's
more information on the back of the

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flyer about the the experts that we've
invited to present so these four

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people. All have experience in decommissioning
and I don't know about you but this

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is like

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a mystery to me like What are they doing
these plants shut down and we know

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a Yankee row all those left of

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a fuel rods are still sitting Yankee bro.
And so I think it's important for us to

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be aware of what's happening up there
as Frances said whether they leave them

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sitting in these pools or where
they put them in dry casks is

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a very important public
safety safety issue.

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So I think she's given you some concerns
we have about the possibility of

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a solution that's call say store which means
they just everything says as it is for

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sixty fifty sixty years it didn't
get cleaned up into a like

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a green field instead of the brownfield
it is. So these are these are important

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things for us to be aware of since we are
downwind and downriver from this from

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this plant so we'd like to think councillor
Jessie Adams and the committee and

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public safety for co-sponsoring this event
and we'd like to invite all of you to

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come on Sunday bring your questions and
ask these experts who had experience in

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this decommissioning process what that's
going to be like for us living fairly

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close to the plant so there will be a Q.

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And A session after the experts make their
presentations so do come Sunday thank

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you very much thank you.
Fran Pokemon please

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Good evening I'm friend boatman forty
Arlington Street Hampton and I'm here to

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invite you all councillors
and community members to

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a presentation next Wednesday on food and
farming in North Hampton and the Pioneer

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Valley. The presentation is sponsored by

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a local group keep farming Northhampton
some of you have heard about it we've been

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working for the last four years to under
the sponsorship of the agricultural

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commission to create

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a picture of our local food system we've
surveyed twenty six North Hampton farmers

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that's most of them. Five hundred fifty
Northhampton residents thirty eight

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restaurants and ten institutions to provide
solid data on the place of farming and

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local food in our economy and our community
this fall we were joined by students in

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a capstone course at Smith College on
local food who have completed the final

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survey and placed our work in a
regional context and they've made

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a fabulous visual presentation. We have
recommendations on steps that can be taken

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to make Northhampton

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a local food destination that supports our
farmers our businesses and all of the

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members of our community the presentation
will be held on Wednesday September

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eleventh somebody took

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a picture of the House Wednesday September
eleventh the same December as I'm sorry

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December eleventh at seven
thirty and they are F. K.

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Community room we especially hope that city
councillors city leaders concerned with

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economic development and sustainability and
many of the survey participants as well

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as others will join us thank you enjoy it
thanks very much thank you Steve SASCO

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please.

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Yes sus go Steve sus go seven five
four Bridge Road as US C.E.O.

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Attended the two public informational
stormwater and flood control meetings held

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this week I wanted to ask

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a couple of questions without hogging the
time my mind is still open regarding this

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matter although I sat hand raised
between the questions of others

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a sensually the entire meetings I was not
recognized I believe not recognized on

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purpose why what are you afraid of here
others were recognized multiple times

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some apparent favors favorites some
ten or more times I began to ask

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a first question at the first meeting
but was shouted down by the ward three

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councillor Daniels he extolling the
audience to condemn my pretense good

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riddance to the ward three councillor
Hopefully he will man up and indicate his

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level of involvement in the railroading of
the former ward three representative of

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about it

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a parting gift as it were by the way this
city Oh was the Plas means an apology

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What's the matter with my questions why
can't all citizens participate here

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inclusion in transparency of say Bologna
I say I demand that all citizens be

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allowed to participate in this matter.
For for fellow citizens notice I believe

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these meetings are being conducted with
planted questions from the audience people

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and claimed task force members jumping
up and demanding higher and immediate

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increases to the proposed fees persons
claiming to be from New Orleans and in

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equating our situation as equivalent to
Hurricane Katrina baloney I believe our

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situation here is being misrepresented by
those presenting we are being told are

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are. We are in dire straits that
the levee failure is in and is

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a meat. Is imminent baloney it's
past time to cut the baloney

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fellow citizens I say to you get interested
in involved now or face never ending

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any creasing fee payments and
I'd like to read from the U.S.

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Army Corps of Engineers letter to the
city's our city's engineer regarding our

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flood systems present status
and this letter is from Mr H.

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Farrel McMillan professional engineer
chief of the engineering and planning

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division and levee safety officer to
the North Hampton city engineer and he

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writes that the minimally acceptable rating
of our flood damage reduction system

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means that the deficiencies were. Where
tension none of which would prevent the

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system broke forming as intended during the
next flood event and one more sentence

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if I may I am pleased to report that
the system should perform as intended.

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Thank you very much Carol Rinehart please

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. I'm Carol. Lin oh five
blackbirds trail in

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Florence. And I come
to you this evening as

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a member of the Human Rights Commission.
This is the last time I'll be addressing

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the council in this capacity so I'll take
this opportunity to thank you for your

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support and your commitment to human rights
and issues in North Hampton during my

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seven years in this role I've really been
proud to be in the Rall and I've really

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enjoyed it and working with you I
urge you to continue to take very

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seriously the role of this commission can
Clay in the holding up the values and

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concerns that are as important to our
collective life as mending our bridges and

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attending to our public works
to night the mayor will read

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a proclamation regarding the sixty fifth
anniversary of the passage of the

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Universal Declaration of Human
Rights referred to it as the U.D.

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Age are although the many nations
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United Nations in one thousand nine hundred
forty eight they would not have used

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this term but I think of the you D.H.

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As a sustainability plan a
recognition that governments have

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a choice based on the genocides costs
and wars of the first half of the

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twentieth century those signers knew
that governments can indeed ignore and

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undermine the necessary infrastructure for
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ultimately the only reason governments exist
or they can support the full survival

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and rich potential of their
greatest resource. The U.-T.

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Age are sets of potential sets

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a template really of basic standards
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element of

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a government's infrastructure basically
its people must have food shelter

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education safety and freedom in order to
function and grow we can be tempted to be

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cynical and disappointed about the level
of success reached in the sixty five years

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that have passed however
to mix my metaphors

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a moment I suggest we think of the human
rights listed in this declaration as being

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like wedding vows essential for

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a strong marriage and yet
destined to be bent spend

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a little mutilated when lived out by the
very human community as they serve yet it

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is when we drop the values and give up
the hopes and aspirations that real and

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attainable possibilities are laid
waste forgive me for talking. On the

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screen on this coming Tuesday evening
December tenth some of you counselors will

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be among the thirty community representatives
of Human Services and justice

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activities each one reading one of the
thirty articles of this sustainability plan

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Professor Josh Miller of the Smith College
School social work will be speaking on

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how each of us can bend the arc toward
racial justice and students of every age

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will be singing and greeting guests I
hope you will come and encourage your

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constituents to come as well thank
you thank you care that's all.

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Folks signed up with anyone else would
like to speak friend to you would you like

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to step up.

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Six sixty nine West Ham. I'd like
to urge is the city council voted

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against the C.P.C. S.

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Vote to fund the design of proposed Poleski
park plans at the tune of to the tune

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of one hundred ninety four thousand five
hundred dollars the plans call for touring

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or only downtown art into an
entertainment venue instead of

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a place for quiet enjoyment. There are
hundreds of residents and dozens of stores

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within earshot of the park previous events
of rattled windows and buildings and

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essentially put a stop to
conducting business for hours at

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a time on upper Main Street while an
occasional concert of non amplified music is

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fine plans for

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a stage would invite over use of the park
Furthermore plans for Plaskett park or

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premature until there is

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a coordinated plan for the round house and
lot and the park I realized that C.P.A.

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Gives a C.P.A. a Lot of C.P.C.

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a Lot of money just around just because
one hundred four hundred ninety four

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thousand five hundred dollars is

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a lot of money is no reason to. Writers
who have stated that the money would be

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pretty much the same regardless of the
scope or cost of the final. Nearly two

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hundred thousand dollar design fee would
not pay for one show full of dirt to be

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moved total cost would be one to one point
five million dollars and I'm not sure

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that's how we should spend our money. Thank
you so you would also like to speak.

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Actors location I know I probably speak
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would. Come and give you

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a little overview of what the mass Restaurant
Association thinks of casinos. And

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their effect on surrounding communities.
In the study that the mayor is looking to

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do for. The effects is is well worth the

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money spent. For all the studies that
we've looked at. Springfield may

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call it the saving grace and I call it
the nail in the coffin because it has an

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economic impact of about thirty five
miles in circumference around retail

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restaurant disposable income. The money
goes into the whole unit doesn't come out

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of the hole. All roads lead to the casino
so anybody around there any of the

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businesses

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a think they may reap the business from
the casino small restaurants retail

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somebody selling mattresses Bubs and
whispering fields anything gets affected by

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the income that sucked. Out of the people
by the by the casinos in the casinos.

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They could. Develop a big because
good scene a developer has

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a anything around the casino the money goes
in the casino it doesn't leave and when

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people leave they don't go somewhere else
and spend the money because they don't

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have any so any money well is well spent
on the study we don't want to see the

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effects of

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a casino appear and if you have to and if
there is one in Springfield. You will be

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devastating to anything around it including
us so I would urge you to support

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whatever the miracles to say that thank you
thank you very much. Anyone else which

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is speak of this time
going once going twice.

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Or we will convene. Will the court
please call the rule. Here.

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Here. Here. Here. Here.

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Here. Here. There are no public
hearings scheduled so would go

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directly to the communications
from the mayor.

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Was

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a passel of communications actually
and it's. Good evening honorable

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members of the city council I have two
proclamations that I'd like to issue this

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evening the first one is intitled Human
Rights Day December tenth two thousand and

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thirteen. Whereas Tuesday December tenth
two thousand and thirteen marks the sixty

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fifth anniversary of the Universal Declaration
of Human Rights signed by the United

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Nations General Assembly following the
defeat of fascist expansionism and genocide

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and whereas all people share fundamental
rights based soley on their common

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humanity and whereas as stated in the
preamble to the Universal Declaration of

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Human Rights quote recognition of the
inherent dignity and of the equal and Elie

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animal rights of all members of the human
family is the foundation of freedom

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justice and peace in the world unquote and
whereas the city of North Hampton has

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long held

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a prominent place in American history
for our community support peace social

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justice and human rights and whereas the
city's formation of our Human Rights

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Commission is the tangible expression of
our support for human rights and whereas

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the primary responsibility to promote
respect for those rights and freedoms lies

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with each individual of this
nation and each of us can play

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a major role in enhancing human rights and
whereas on December tenth two thousand

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and thirteen in observance of Human Rights
Day two thousand and thirteen it's in

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our hands community members will come
together to publicly declare their support of

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humanity's hopes as expressed in the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights and

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whereas this proclamation is sponsored
by the city council committee on social

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services and Veterans Affairs chaired by
counselor Marianne the barge now therefore

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I married David Mark. It's do here by
proclaim December tenth two thousand and

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thirteen to be Human Rights Day in the
city of Northampton I invite our community

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to affirm and protect the human rights of
all people as set forth in the Universal

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Declaration of Human Rights so that
these rights will flourish and be made

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available to all in Witness whereof I have
set my hand and imprinted the city seal

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this fifth day of December in the year
two thousand and thirteen and I would be

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honored to present this to the chair
of the Human Rights Commission.

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I have

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a second proclamation this evening
and this is entitled Never

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another death month December two thousand
and thirteen whereas organizers dedicate

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never another death month to the memory of
all adolescents and adults who have died

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as

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a direct result of alcohol and drug use and
where as many use have died of alcohol

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and drug related causes due to

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a lack of appropriate and available treatment
facilities in western Massachusetts

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and whereas there is

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a critical need for an adolescent alternative
rehabilitation and treatment facility

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in western Massachusetts that acknowledges
the unique challenge of working with

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adolescents in

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a multi-service approach to rehabilitation
and treatment and whereas rehabilitation

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and treatment with supportive counseling
and life skills training presents

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a positive alternative to the death and
incarceration of the growing population of

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youth addicted to drugs and alcohol.
And whereas organizers would like to

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acknowledge the dedication and work of the
staff of Harrison house Grace house and

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tapestry harm reduction as well as the
work of the North Hampton Prevention

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Coalition

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a community driven effort to raise awareness
of these issues it is important to

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acknowledge the recovery community who
share their experience strength and hope

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with those struggling from the disease of
addiction and whereas never another death

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seeks to raise awareness of the problem of
drug and alcohol addiction on behalf of

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the families who have lost their sons and
daughters brothers sisters grandchildren

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nieces nephews and friends now therefore
David Jane Arkell it's due here by

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proclaim December two thousand and thirteen
as never another death month in the

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city of Northampton I encourage residents
to support those who council house and

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employ individuals in recovery and to
remember our neighbors who have been lost to

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drug and alcohol addiction and all those
who remain at risk in Witness whereof I

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have set my hand and fix the seal of the
city of Northampton this fifth day of

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December two thousand and thirteen and I
would be honored to present this to Russia

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it's profitable thanks so much
thank you Joyce. And I believe

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that completes the formal
communications that I have the C.

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Evening thank you for sharing both of them
you're welcome I did have just one other

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piece of news I know we did send
this out to city councillors in

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a press release from Senator Rosenberg
yesterday but I just wanted to formally

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indicate that the the governor
yesterday in a cap in sort of

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a capital improvement plan that
he reduced for the state included

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a very important release of funds for an
item that was included in the two thousand

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and twelve transportation by. And Bill
specifically three million dollars that were

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allocated to

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a project in the meadows neighborhoods of
Ward three here in the city to focus on

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storm water and drainage improvements that
would not only help residential homes

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and properties in that neighborhood
but would also assist in the ongoing

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redevelopment efforts at the three county
fair so I just wanted to publicly thank

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the governor thank the secretary of
administration finance as well as especially

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thanking center stand Rosenberg and says
And Representative Peter cocotte for their

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strong advocacy on behalf of the city of
Northampton and will have more details on

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this project as it moves forward
so thank you for that thank you.

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We have full. Force and we have

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a resolution here with this is upon the
recommendation of the Northampton City

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Council whereas the citizens of Northampton
hold the military service of its sons

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and daughters in the highest esteem and
whereas Northampton's veterans have given

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much of themselves in the service of us
all and inspiring us an enormous sense of

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gratitude whereas the men and women who
have served in the armed forces from this

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community have suffered wounds and have
died in conflicts throughout our long

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history and whereas our community is

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a proud tradition of military service
and many of our citizens of our in the

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meritorious combat decoration of the Purple
Heart medal that is was so upon those

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who quote are wounded by in instrument
of war in the hands of the enemy and

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posthumously to the next of kin in the
name of those who were killed in action or

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die of wounds received in action close
quote therefore be it Resolved That the

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Northampton city council hereby
proclaim the city of Northampton to be

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a Purple Heart community honoring the service
and sacrifice of our nation's men and

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women in uniform or wounded or killed by
the enemy while protecting the liberties

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and freedoms enjoyed by our
community looks at the motion.

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Any discussion on this consultation.

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Enjoyed by our community we're not an
island in the Purple Heart Association and

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I would much rather see it as in twenty two
others that I've read by all Americans

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rather than just by our community you want
to look to amend it where it says enjoy

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Bear community you enjoyed by all Americans
all Americans. These are medals that

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are nationwide So this there's

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a second on the thank you and in any
discussion on the amended language. All those

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in favor of many of the language
to say by all Americans I. O's

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extension any other discussion
on this. Comic it is

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yours together I spoke with the O.

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Agnew the commander of this and he sent
me an enormous amount of information and

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all kinds of stuff on it and want to thank
you put together the the original letter

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that he sent out and I hope that will have
them for play and come to believe August

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seventh is

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a day that service side is recognizing.
People who have earned the Purple Heart in

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the course of their service of this country
and come August seventh one it's warmer

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we will hopefully. Have an opportunity
of the mayor proclaim that

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a Purple Heart commemoration day this is
as you pointed out commander Agnew it

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asked that we consider being

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a purple our community like many others in
the surrounding area and I think this is

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wholly appropriate personally.
In the other discussion all

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those in favor of the resolution police
AI and opposed any abstentions resolution

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as amended as amended Yes. Any.

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One minute announcements. On
concert dates I just. Want to

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make note of that the world has suffered

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a severe loss today with the loss
of Mandela not just in Africa

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but on the world stage the champion
of human rights and is just this is

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a severe blow to the entire to the planet
and I wanted to make. Just make that that

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announcement also a little
closer to home we lost

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a. Veteran last week. A
couple years older than

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myself died in the center of Florence and
his apartment STEPHEN O'CONNOR Vietnam

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veteran U.S.

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Marine Corps National Guard and from

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a fabulous. Family a family the
local been here all his life. And

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a friend of mine in

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a disaster another another
veteran has passed so thank you.

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CONSUL barge. Just to remind
all the counselors please

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calenders the human
rights to the liberation

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a call to action December tenth at seven
o'clock pm at the Unitarian Society in

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Northampton. On supreme
day this is from the

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D.P.W. Reuse committee there's

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a holiday to exchange happening this Friday
and Saturday five to eight Friday eight

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to nine am on Saturday in the parking
lot of the at Hampton senior center.

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Construct. Bring toys exchange
toys adults parents only please.

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And you can find out more on the D P W's
website but it's this Friday five to eight

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00:38:39,46 --> 00:38:45,53
in the evening and Saturday eight to nine
in the morning to two exchange. Don't

438
00:38:46,44 --> 00:38:49,89
want to think Carol Reinhardt for all of
her work that she's done this council and

439
00:38:49,90 --> 00:38:56,45
all the times I've worked with her on many
different levels and she's. Outstanding

440
00:38:56,60 --> 00:39:02,62
advocate for human rights and it's funny
that we had read this proclamation about

441
00:39:02,62 --> 00:39:06,74
human rights on the day that Nelson
Mandela had passed and Carol Rinehart the

442
00:39:06,74 --> 00:39:13,24
literature last night trying to put
write two together. But it's just

443
00:39:14,07 --> 00:39:20,59
it's pretty ironic I think and. Thank
you karma Thank you. And the other

444
00:39:20,60 --> 00:39:27,48
announcements. Eats. Up the smack
me on the back of that before

445
00:39:27,49 --> 00:39:33,68
some in search of gave me this through I
mean the. Given that this is the season

446
00:39:33,69 --> 00:39:38,45
where appeals go out for charity. There is

447
00:39:38,46 --> 00:39:43,19
a phenomenon here in the Valley known
as Valley gives and that is if you're

448
00:39:43,20 --> 00:39:45,14
inclined to donate to any charity

449
00:39:45,81 --> 00:39:52,59
a local charity. If you do so
on December twelfth or twelve

450
00:39:52,60 --> 00:39:58,40
twelve thirteen is noted you'll give
them an opportunity if based on their

451
00:39:58,41 --> 00:40:03,57
sponsorship you have the opportunity to win
two hundred thousand dollars more as it

452
00:40:03,58 --> 00:40:08,47
were for their for the nonprofits and
charities that serve the community and as we

453
00:40:08,48 --> 00:40:08,85
know there are

454
00:40:08,86 --> 00:40:13,52
a lot of worthy organizations here and if
you want if if you really want to make

455
00:40:13,53 --> 00:40:20,40
your your donations count at this point
sign up for if you go to W W W Valley gives

456
00:40:20,41 --> 00:40:26,85
Day dot org. You have an opportunity
to sign up for that and and.

457
00:40:27,41 --> 00:40:31,95
Be part of that last year was it
was epic it actually generated

458
00:40:31,96 --> 00:40:38,37
a lot of money for Valley nonprofit social
service agencies and the like and. You

459
00:40:38,38 --> 00:40:43,77
know see if we could do to make it epic
again twelve twelve thirteen December

460
00:40:43,78 --> 00:40:49,17
twelfth. This year here for those you
working your calendars thank you very much

461
00:40:49,95 --> 00:40:54,29
and the other announcements OK we have

462
00:40:54,30 --> 00:40:59,66
a fireworks permit. Application I believe
penny Burke is here and there's penny.

463
00:41:01,42 --> 00:41:08,31
You want to blow up the garage.
OK All right well that would

464
00:41:08,32 --> 00:41:11,87
solve some problems but if you OK you
do what you want to do it's this is

465
00:41:11,88 --> 00:41:18,62
a I'm having parked on the executive
director of north and it's enough to request

466
00:41:18,63 --> 00:41:25,26
of permit for fireworks on first night
December thirty first twenty thirteen six

467
00:41:25,27 --> 00:41:30,68
fifteen pm from the roof of the parking
garage now and no intent to blow it up.

468
00:41:33,51 --> 00:41:36,47
That this is an annual
event that actually had

469
00:41:36,78 --> 00:41:42,07
a landmark event and it's it's stellar I
don't know any questions about this about

470
00:41:42,98 --> 00:41:47,100
the chance to look at the license as this
is been done I'm sorry. Accept the motion

471
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:54,18
. Second. Motions made any
further discussion you.

472
00:41:56,99 --> 00:42:01,52
Don't think I didn't just want to have
supportive of the permit I just want to say

473
00:42:01,52 --> 00:42:07,88
. That the Commission on transportation
and parking has initially.

474
00:42:08,92 --> 00:42:15,60
Voted to allow free parking on New Year's
Eve. And so in support of first night

475
00:42:15,82 --> 00:42:22,78
and so we hope that people can watch
the fireworks without. Fear of being

476
00:42:22,79 --> 00:42:28,14
ticketed just don't park on the top floor
right well actually there is not parking

477
00:42:28,15 --> 00:42:30,99
in the garage there's free P.S.A.

478
00:42:31,00 --> 00:42:36,20
Army Serializable lots about it yes
thank you transportations and parking

479
00:42:36,21 --> 00:42:40,97
commission on behalf of everybody who
wants to come to the event it's much

480
00:42:40,98 --> 00:42:46,99
appreciated and this occurs rain or
shine Well New Year's Eve You mean the

481
00:42:47,00 --> 00:42:50,81
fireworks rain trying to know that
the fire department really makes

482
00:42:50,82 --> 00:42:55,83
a final call in the eleven years I've
done it we've never had to cancel and it

483
00:42:56,03 --> 00:43:02,71
really it mostly depends upon possibly rain
or wind but fingers crossed it's going

484
00:43:02,72 --> 00:43:07,87
to I've seen it in snow it's actually
stunning as beautiful stunning. All right all

485
00:43:07,88 --> 00:43:14,16
those in favor of granting this probably
say I like me owes any abstentions Thank

486
00:43:14,17 --> 00:43:18,10
you. I hope the grudge like.

487
00:43:22,55 --> 00:43:29,39
The cruel minutes. Moved to earth so I

488
00:43:29,40 --> 00:43:36,11
can all those in favor. I'm sentient. And

489
00:43:36,33 --> 00:43:43,32
Will contention. Of power up to the
reports of committees and appointments

490
00:43:43,95 --> 00:43:50,40
and elections. That we have
the it's from creation of

491
00:43:50,53 --> 00:43:57,47
arcane. To sixty Minutes right
we have so seventeenth and

492
00:43:57,48 --> 00:44:04,38
October through September seventeenth
in October fifteenth so any discussion.

493
00:44:06,07 --> 00:44:13,02
In favor I oppose. Now
we're going to recess for

494
00:44:13,03 --> 00:44:19,23
finance I'm passing the gavel to
consul Murphy figure to really. SHARP.

495
00:44:20,31 --> 00:44:25,26
Point of view that's the big males. We're
assessing for the finance committee

496
00:44:25,27 --> 00:44:32,14
counsel Murphy is the chair of that So there
we can call the roll funny. Here here

497
00:44:33,13 --> 00:44:40,04
present here. That's
right the tea ceremony.

498
00:44:41,06 --> 00:44:44,68
So the first item on the
recommendation of Mayor David J.

499
00:44:44,69 --> 00:44:49,27
Narcan are that only four thousand five
hundred seventy three dollars and thirty

500
00:44:49,28 --> 00:44:53,17
eight cents be appropriated from the Smith
vocational stabilization fund for the

501
00:44:53,18 --> 00:44:58,93
purpose of purchasing computers from
books i Pads and technology to upgrade

502
00:44:58,94 --> 00:45:04,09
computer labs and classrooms to meet
curriculum and software requirements to prove

503
00:45:04,48 --> 00:45:09,34
second it OK and the mayor is here to tell
us about. Yes good evening counselors

504
00:45:09,97 --> 00:45:16,44
This is actually. In question
is actually some. Residual

505
00:45:16,45 --> 00:45:20,10
funds that have been in a. Town

506
00:45:20,11 --> 00:45:24,24
a stabilization or sale of
town that came about as

507
00:45:24,25 --> 00:45:28,59
a result of the sale of some land coolly
Dickens' off hospital several years ago

508
00:45:28,97 --> 00:45:31,10
and so the trustees of which I'm

509
00:45:31,11 --> 00:45:37,25
a member of the board of trustees had
these. These capital related needs

510
00:45:37,64 --> 00:45:43,07
particularly in the in the technology
department and so the board unanimously voted

511
00:45:43,08 --> 00:45:49,89
to utilize these funds for these
capital purchases and even though it

512
00:45:49,93 --> 00:45:54,05
is. Because it's a
stabilization fund it requires

513
00:45:54,06 --> 00:45:56,25
a vote of the city council to actually

514
00:45:56,29 --> 00:46:01,56
a perp make that sort of an appropriation
so I agreed to bring it to the city

515
00:46:01,57 --> 00:46:05,94
council and make that last. This is

516
00:46:05,95 --> 00:46:10,08
a portion of that of that funding how much
is left in that this would actually be

517
00:46:10,09 --> 00:46:13,51
the this is the balance this is the balance
of what was remaining I believe that

518
00:46:13,52 --> 00:46:20,48
there were some capital. Work done at
the time of the actual sale but but

519
00:46:20,49 --> 00:46:20,80
this was

520
00:46:20,81 --> 00:46:25,58
a fund this this is the this would actually
close out the account which is another

521
00:46:25,59 --> 00:46:28,86
reason for wanting to for them
wanting to do it it was look it was

522
00:46:28,87 --> 00:46:33,13
a million dollars which I believe it was
in that neighborhood and I believe that

523
00:46:33,27 --> 00:46:39,41
that some of the proceeds were used immediate
more immediately for capital needs at

524
00:46:39,42 --> 00:46:41,51
the school. This is just

525
00:46:41,52 --> 00:46:46,23
a lot of the reason residuals of it that's
been sitting in this account but I think

526
00:46:46,24 --> 00:46:46,34
it's

527
00:46:46,35 --> 00:46:53,33
a great usually forms I just I just curious
and yeah OK thank you so around. Here

528
00:46:53,34 --> 00:47:00,23
it's grown looks i Pads you know. I do not
I do not have that specific information

529
00:47:00,24 --> 00:47:06,92
for you. Although I could well
I guess I should say that.

530
00:47:07,76 --> 00:47:13,14
Of like sort of how we work with the school
committee on these items the trustees

531
00:47:13,27 --> 00:47:19,89
like the school committee. Have this
have sort of de to line item spending

532
00:47:19,90 --> 00:47:23,85
authority over how funds are spent in the
in the smith vote budget as well as the

533
00:47:23,86 --> 00:47:30,56
school budget. So I don't have that
level of detail for this order but it's

534
00:47:30,57 --> 00:47:31,91
something that their new I.T.

535
00:47:31,92 --> 00:47:36,52
Director has recommended in the superintendent
has recommended. But generally for

536
00:47:36,53 --> 00:47:40,34
these type this is more of these are funds
that already reside in the smith folk

537
00:47:40,35 --> 00:47:44,44
budget they just need authorization to move
it from one area to another so I don't

538
00:47:44,45 --> 00:47:51,29
really have the line item detail.
If we do it. Is it limited to

539
00:47:51,30 --> 00:47:56,10
hardware or does it also include CAD
system software things of that nature that

540
00:47:57,04 --> 00:47:58,51
it's there's it's

541
00:47:58,52 --> 00:48:03,85
a combination of hardware and then some
software related to curriculum as well in

542
00:48:03,86 --> 00:48:08,79
their computer labs they're needing to do
some updates to their they also you may

543
00:48:08,80 --> 00:48:15,24
remember earlier this year we came before
you to get authorization for an extended

544
00:48:15,25 --> 00:48:16,20
lease to purchase

545
00:48:16,21 --> 00:48:20,23
a new student information system so they've
been like like the North Hampton public

546
00:48:20,24 --> 00:48:22,13
schools have been undergoing

547
00:48:22,59 --> 00:48:29,17
a lot of work in this area
and in. It's not. It's not

548
00:48:29,18 --> 00:48:34,64
coincidental that that the a lot of our
new testing protocols are now due to

549
00:48:34,65 --> 00:48:41,21
a computer based protocol so the kinds
of and cast testing that we now do with

550
00:48:41,22 --> 00:48:43,06
paper tests are now going to be moving to

551
00:48:43,07 --> 00:48:48,26
a computer based format so many school
districts are or at least those who've had

552
00:48:48,27 --> 00:48:53,43
deferred investments in technology are now
really working to make sure that they

553
00:48:53,44 --> 00:48:58,85
have that capacity and we're doing the
same you may recall on N.P.'s we're in the

554
00:48:58,86 --> 00:48:59,15
middle of

555
00:48:59,16 --> 00:49:02,88
a three year you know three hundred
thousand dollar investment in our school

556
00:49:02,89 --> 00:49:08,72
technology on the North Hampton public
school side so I personally feel better if

557
00:49:08,73 --> 00:49:12,51
the money were invested in the education
as opposed to the testing personally but

558
00:49:12,52 --> 00:49:17,59
that an obvious saying that. Well it'll
be ill certainly get more used than just

559
00:49:17,60 --> 00:49:22,79
for the testing. These these upgrades are
needed to their computer labs in part to

560
00:49:22,80 --> 00:49:27,89
be able to accommodate the testing and so
tasty so this is just for the labs and

561
00:49:27,90 --> 00:49:34,05
class research nothing to the ministry of
use yet this is from the this is from the

562
00:49:34,05 --> 00:49:36,30
. This is from their i T.

563
00:49:36,31 --> 00:49:41,55
Department and the and it's and it's
basically these are needed to upgrade the

564
00:49:41,56 --> 00:49:45,97
computer labs and classrooms so this is
all hardware that will be used within the

565
00:49:46,44 --> 00:49:52,91
within classrooms in computer labs it's
not an i Pad for staff. It's focused on

566
00:49:53,66 --> 00:50:00,02
students that's correct OK Thank you. Thank
you I just am I would expect that the

567
00:50:00,03 --> 00:50:03,80
need is also present in every one of the
shops that are there at the school just

568
00:50:03,81 --> 00:50:10,16
because. In all aspects of industry
technology is more and more present and for

569
00:50:10,17 --> 00:50:17,10
those students to be prepared being able
to help use those in that capacity. I Pads

570
00:50:17,10 --> 00:50:24,01
. Other technologies that center so
I'm completely into pointers. And the

571
00:50:24,02 --> 00:50:27,82
other questions on this
one are those in favor of

572
00:50:27,83 --> 00:50:31,67
a positive recommendation
to council I. Think.

573
00:50:36,56 --> 00:50:40,46
And this one upon the recommendation of
their David Jane arc which were that the

574
00:50:40,47 --> 00:50:44,75
amount of dollars be appropriated from the
stabilization fund allowing the city of

575
00:50:44,76 --> 00:50:48,99
North Hampton to contract with an independent
consulting firm to form an economic

576
00:50:49,03 --> 00:50:51,97
impact analysis posed M.G.M.

577
00:50:51,98 --> 00:50:56,44
At Springfield casino and its potential
negative impacts on local retail

578
00:50:56,45 --> 00:51:00,78
entertainment and services stablish Ment's
within the city of Northampton emotion

579
00:51:00,79 --> 00:51:07,05
on this one. Second of all kinds of this
respect for the whole community question

580
00:51:07,58 --> 00:51:14,32
the mayor want to tell us more
about this one if I may so. We've

581
00:51:14,33 --> 00:51:20,70
been following tracking very closely the
licensure process in the Commonwealth for

582
00:51:20,71 --> 00:51:27,61
this new industry that that we are not
I would say we I wouldn't associate

583
00:51:27,62 --> 00:51:33,10
myself with it but the state government
is is creating new casino gambling and in

584
00:51:33,11 --> 00:51:39,80
particular the licensure of one resort
casino in western Massachusetts and so as

585
00:51:39,81 --> 00:51:45,07
part of that process we've been trying to
to follow it we've had conversations with

586
00:51:45,08 --> 00:51:51,86
some of the. License of potential license
applicants namely Mohegan Sun and

587
00:51:51,87 --> 00:51:52,49
M.G.M.

588
00:51:53,08 --> 00:51:58,35
Now that the field has cleared and it's
no longer four or five and now just one

589
00:51:58,63 --> 00:52:02,34
we've intensified those
conversations we have

590
00:52:03,04 --> 00:52:09,14
a couple months ago we retained the. Counsel
to help us with those negotiations and

591
00:52:09,15 --> 00:52:14,86
as part of either helping with those
negotiations or the attentional of going to

592
00:52:14,87 --> 00:52:18,26
the gaming commission to seek status as

593
00:52:18,27 --> 00:52:25,11
a impacted surrounding community I feel
it's incumbent upon the city to commission

594
00:52:25,12 --> 00:52:31,64
an impact study to be able to provide us
with hard data on those potential impacts

595
00:52:32,32 --> 00:52:32,66
there's been

596
00:52:32,67 --> 00:52:39,69
a lot of discussion about
some of the more. Expected

597
00:52:40,08 --> 00:52:42,96
impacts of a community
that's right next door to

598
00:52:42,97 --> 00:52:44,53
a community that has that may have

599
00:52:44,54 --> 00:52:51,07
a casino traffic you know public
safety infrastructure etc. But as I

600
00:52:51,08 --> 00:52:56,22
continue to try to point out in the criteria
laid out by the gaming commission yes

601
00:52:56,23 --> 00:53:02,21
there are those kinds of impacts that
that one would expect for an abiding

602
00:53:02,22 --> 00:53:07,37
community there's also another category
of impacts that are spelled out in the

603
00:53:07,38 --> 00:53:12,39
legislation which I've actually included
in the resolution and that is potential

604
00:53:12,40 --> 00:53:18,49
negative impacts on local retail entertainment
and services stablish rents in the

605
00:53:18,79 --> 00:53:24,74
affected community and I believe that we've
worked very hard in North Hampton to

606
00:53:24,75 --> 00:53:29,02
create a very strong local
based economy with which has

607
00:53:29,03 --> 00:53:34,46
a strong emphasis on retail entertainment
and services talismans and so I've been

608
00:53:34,47 --> 00:53:37,24
greatly concerned about the prospect of

609
00:53:37,25 --> 00:53:42,13
a casino located in western Massachusetts
in essentially the same economic market

610
00:53:42,14 --> 00:53:48,15
as North Hampton about the
potential impacts. To date M.G.M.

611
00:53:48,80 --> 00:53:55,51
Has not been receptive to those
conversations and and so I fully

612
00:53:55,52 --> 00:54:00,86
expect that when the deadline tolls on
January eighth December thirty first that we

613
00:54:00,87 --> 00:54:04,57
will need to avail ourselves of the next
step in the process which is to petition.

614
00:54:04,89 --> 00:54:11,65
Gaming Commission directly for impacted
surrounding community status so I believe

615
00:54:11,66 --> 00:54:14,91
it's important that we have
the data to be able to make

616
00:54:14,92 --> 00:54:20,05
a presentation to the Gaming Commission and
so that's why I am requesting that this

617
00:54:20,06 --> 00:54:25,03
amount of twenty two thousand be appropriated
from the stabilization fund to be

618
00:54:25,04 --> 00:54:25,61
able to fund

619
00:54:25,62 --> 00:54:32,17
a study we've sought and
received. Requests proposals

620
00:54:32,26 --> 00:54:37,27
from about seven or eight different firms
who are qualified to do this work which

621
00:54:37,28 --> 00:54:42,42
we've done through our legal council we've
narrowed it down this funding would

622
00:54:42,46 --> 00:54:49,04
allow us to immediately engage
one or one of the of the

623
00:54:49,27 --> 00:54:55,19
two to three finalists for that. I would
add that while I'm asking the city council

624
00:54:55,20 --> 00:55:00,35
to put this money forward to allow me to
move forward with this study I also fully

625
00:55:00,36 --> 00:55:05,16
intend in January to submit to
the Gaming Commission there's

626
00:55:05,17 --> 00:55:09,58
a separate process which allows communities
to seek reimbursement for expenses

627
00:55:09,62 --> 00:55:14,87
related to this surrounding community
process including legal fees and including

628
00:55:15,49 --> 00:55:21,74
economic studies and other research so I
fully intend to do that. In addition I've

629
00:55:21,75 --> 00:55:27,08
also been in conversations with the local
business community some one of whom you

630
00:55:27,09 --> 00:55:31,78
heard from this evening who share the
concerns that I have about these potential

631
00:55:31,79 --> 00:55:34,68
impacts and they are
very supportive of such

632
00:55:34,69 --> 00:55:39,68
a study and I've been receiving financial
commitments from members of the business

633
00:55:39,69 --> 00:55:43,56
community including the chamber including
the business improvement district

634
00:55:44,11 --> 00:55:49,02
including Iron Horse Entertainment Group
and others who are willing to help

635
00:55:49,06 --> 00:55:53,77
contribute to this to help defray the
cost if in fact we are not able to get

636
00:55:53,78 --> 00:55:56,63
reimbursed from your state or from M.G.M.

637
00:55:57,39 --> 00:56:03,99
For this study so I apologize that that
it's sort of coming forward late in the

638
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:05,72
game. This has been

639
00:56:05,73 --> 00:56:11,23
a very strange game for communities to play
up and you know two or three months ago

640
00:56:11,71 --> 00:56:15,42
it was very difficult to know whom you
were supposed to be negotiating with were

641
00:56:15,43 --> 00:56:22,08
you supposed to negotiate with hard
rock. Mohegan star from the National

642
00:56:22,96 --> 00:56:29,61
And so really it's clarified now to this
one potential licensee and now the sort of

643
00:56:29,62 --> 00:56:33,60
the game is afoot if you
will to yesterday M.G.M.

644
00:56:33,61 --> 00:56:37,45
Announced that they had reached their very
first surrounding community agreement

645
00:56:37,60 --> 00:56:43,22
with the town of Ludlow and the town of
Ludlow has agreed to first of all I believe

646
00:56:43,23 --> 00:56:46,40
it's fifty thousand dollars
reimbursement from M.G.M.

647
00:56:46,53 --> 00:56:51,93
For similar economic impact studies and
legal costs as well as an annual payment of

648
00:56:51,94 --> 00:56:53,92
about a good seventy five thousand dollars

649
00:56:53,93 --> 00:56:59,90
a year I know that they're in negotiations
with other communities in and around

650
00:56:59,91 --> 00:57:05,00
Springfield and the goal of course is to
try to get those negotiations completed by

651
00:57:05,01 --> 00:57:10,100
December thirty first so that they can
submit an application. That contains as many

652
00:57:11,01 --> 00:57:16,52
of these types of agreements as possible.
So that's sort of the lay of the land and

653
00:57:16,53 --> 00:57:20,94
so that's why I believe it's important for
us to move quickly and I would seek the

654
00:57:20,95 --> 00:57:24,25
council's permission to move forward on
this and that's why I'm seeking this

655
00:57:24,26 --> 00:57:30,37
funding authorization to do it the
mitigation that the overthrow of the state

656
00:57:30,38 --> 00:57:33,81
clearly acknowledges that there's an impact
and per some reason they don't look at

657
00:57:33,82 --> 00:57:34,67
it is

658
00:57:34,68 --> 00:57:39,42
a nuclear meltdown that it seems to stop
at borders and the impacts don't really

659
00:57:39,58 --> 00:57:46,21
radiate much beyond that but the. The My
concern is of course mitigation fees are

660
00:57:46,22 --> 00:57:50,50
merely They go to the community they go to
the city of the municipality or the town

661
00:57:51,03 --> 00:57:56,11
they don't go to the business owners who
clearly will be stressed by the loss of of

662
00:57:57,03 --> 00:58:02,49
Patron pool the patron pool would actually
impact the businesses and if those

663
00:58:02,50 --> 00:58:08,41
businesses fail virtually in this community
or say luck seventy five thousand

664
00:58:08,42 --> 00:58:09,40
dollars doesn't get you

665
00:58:09,41 --> 00:58:15,51
a lot when all is said and done it basically
doesn't sustain the community which is

666
00:58:15,52 --> 00:58:21,31
what we were why we were lie on all these
industries just to make this community

667
00:58:21,32 --> 00:58:27,01
work it makes perfect I'm I'm glad that
we're doing this study I do wish we had it

668
00:58:27,02 --> 00:58:33,03
in hand to begin with I wish we had it
to start so that we because the the time

669
00:58:33,04 --> 00:58:38,78
line that that prescribed
is so narrow that it's

670
00:58:38,79 --> 00:58:44,21
a really bad time of year to actually
get anything done or you know the.

671
00:58:46,08 --> 00:58:52,90
I'm really disturbed at the fact that this
is sort of. Shrugged off that somehow

672
00:58:52,97 --> 00:58:57,27
North Hampton would not be impacted
or that Northampton's just wants

673
00:58:57,28 --> 00:59:02,29
a taste of this rich casino wealth that's
coming down the pike I would much rather

674
00:59:02,29 --> 00:59:07,76
not see the casino I would much prefer
that and any mitigation that comes is not

675
00:59:07,77 --> 00:59:12,11
going to compensate at all for our sense
of place it doesn't come close you don't

676
00:59:12,13 --> 00:59:17,57
buy that I'm sure of that I think because
he knows function their corporate system

677
00:59:17,58 --> 00:59:22,04
they're designed to generate revenue and
money for their corporation and for their

678
00:59:22,06 --> 00:59:26,39
investors. We're community system or
a system that's designed to sustain

679
00:59:26,40 --> 00:59:32,29
a community and what we value in the
community and we run across purposes and the

680
00:59:32,30 --> 00:59:33,97
state has decided to sanction

681
00:59:34,67 --> 00:59:39,00
a casino I for profit industry and give
it essential in noncompetitive zone

682
00:59:39,01 --> 00:59:43,31
protection from competition anywhere other
than the locally owned businesses who

683
00:59:43,32 --> 00:59:48,72
don't enjoy that protection and I can't
I actually fully expect this report is

684
00:59:48,73 --> 00:59:55,60
going to reveal. All the things that I
believe we all know in our heart of hearts

685
00:59:55,64 --> 01:00:02,06
is true that the casino
uses entertainment and food

686
01:00:02,44 --> 01:00:03,83
and drink as

687
01:00:03,84 --> 01:00:07,23
a loss leader they don't make their money
and that if they did they would have come

688
01:00:07,24 --> 01:00:11,34
here years ago and set up in
Springfield as is the glamorous M.G.M.

689
01:00:11,35 --> 01:00:17,31
Restaurant bar entertainment important
they're here for the gambling gambling it's

690
01:00:17,36 --> 01:00:22,74
and I and I I wrote recently that
there were purposes to work it as

691
01:00:22,75 --> 01:00:27,85
a bug like you were trapped the patronage
pool and you keep them there you don't

692
01:00:27,86 --> 01:00:32,48
let them go outside they stay on campus
and they invest their money there and so

693
01:00:32,49 --> 01:00:35,02
they're going to offer
you meals and drinks at

694
01:00:35,03 --> 01:00:39,91
a much cheaper rate they're going to poach
from our own businesses here in this

695
01:00:39,92 --> 01:00:43,68
community they're going to take restaurants
that have that might have some success

696
01:00:43,69 --> 01:00:47,37
here inflict them there but that revenue
doesn't come back to the community does

697
01:00:47,38 --> 01:00:52,40
not come back to Northampton by any means
and we don't get those customers back I

698
01:00:53,03 --> 01:00:54,53
think twenty two thousand dollars is

699
01:00:54,54 --> 01:01:00,32
a very small investment at least prove to
the state in some way beyond screaming at

700
01:01:00,33 --> 01:01:01,45
them which I've been doing for

701
01:01:01,46 --> 01:01:07,93
a while but to prove and document what we
all believe to be true and real here. If

702
01:01:07,94 --> 01:01:14,02
I could just respond to that before. Just
like I think that we are one of the only

703
01:01:14,03 --> 01:01:19,29
communities that is unique in that we fit
into that that category of really you

704
01:01:19,30 --> 01:01:25,83
know we are kind of the entertainment and
cultural hub for Western Mass I think we

705
01:01:25,87 --> 01:01:30,78
could craft a creative agreement. With
them that could that wouldn't just be

706
01:01:30,79 --> 01:01:34,87
a payment to the city for example
it could include there's

707
01:01:34,88 --> 01:01:40,89
a I think there are creative ways to
do it to help. Provide funding around

708
01:01:40,90 --> 01:01:46,65
marketing and tourism in and and out
some of the concerns we have about our

709
01:01:46,66 --> 01:01:50,98
entertainment venues I think there's ways
that we can do that but of course to date

710
01:01:51,19 --> 01:01:53,09
we haven't been able to even get

711
01:01:53,14 --> 01:02:00,07
a conversation started so so again
that I think I think and again I

712
01:02:00,08 --> 01:02:06,24
think we we all know it we all feel it
but. Standing before the gaming commission

713
01:02:06,25 --> 01:02:07,42
we're going to need a little bit more than

714
01:02:07,46 --> 01:02:12,11
a feeling and so we need we really need
to have this data to be able to submit to

715
01:02:12,12 --> 01:02:14,12
them as part of our application so in

716
01:02:14,13 --> 01:02:20,90
a high stakes game we're common Lord for
Penny and he poked pickup poker and we

717
01:02:20,91 --> 01:02:22,17
don't have a lot of you know of

718
01:02:22,18 --> 01:02:28,80
a lot of forces to bring to bear. Except
possibly this report. We have the

719
01:02:28,81 --> 01:02:32,76
report and we have I believe we have the
language of the law that was he that we

720
01:02:32,77 --> 01:02:39,46
have legislative report support
is Repco cotton and Senator Sam

721
01:02:39,47 --> 01:02:44,94
Rosenberg I I do not I haven't actually had
an opportunity to scuffs this with them

722
01:02:44,95 --> 01:02:45,70
I mean this is kind of

723
01:02:45,71 --> 01:02:49,92
a regulatory process that I'm not sure
legislators are necessary going to wade into

724
01:02:50,84 --> 01:02:54,84
but legislators Portas here already done
their job I think they really waited I

725
01:02:54,85 --> 01:03:00,96
think this is true but locals legislators
have actually voted in favor of this and

726
01:03:00,97 --> 01:03:07,49
I think to some it disseminates then we
least if they weighed in and chimed in or

727
01:03:07,50 --> 01:03:11,44
at least gave us some recommendations
here on how we have coaches I don't think

728
01:03:11,45 --> 01:03:16,19
that's inappropriate for them. We can
certainly do that I just would add that this

729
01:03:16,20 --> 01:03:16,35
is

730
01:03:16,55 --> 01:03:20,29
a commission that's been appointed as an
independent commission independent of the

731
01:03:20,30 --> 01:03:26,78
legislature independent of the executive
and has very strong authority and power so

732
01:03:27,59 --> 01:03:33,07
we'll have to make the case to the house
so I think counts are the barge barges

733
01:03:33,49 --> 01:03:40,47
thank ready Thank you. I agree with this I
think this is something that we need to

734
01:03:40,48 --> 01:03:47,17
look for very serious like. I think are
you asking for to vote yes tonight I

735
01:03:47,18 --> 01:03:52,40
understand that didn't quite get around to
the gender but I obviously I will again

736
01:03:52,41 --> 01:03:57,98
as I said if I get the authorization will
be engaging someone I meet and beginning

737
01:03:57,99 --> 01:04:04,18
work because I am very concerned. Knowing
how many small bit says we have in the

738
01:04:04,19 --> 01:04:08,02
city going through a
recession and then having

739
01:04:08,03 --> 01:04:14,55
a casino coming which is really
neighbors to was I'd like to know Mayor

740
01:04:14,95 --> 01:04:21,32
I mean we're not going to have control of
what the Gambling Commission makes the

741
01:04:21,33 --> 01:04:26,34
decision of where they're going to go ahead
and who allow us to go to Springfield

742
01:04:26,38 --> 01:04:27,22
if M.G.M.

743
01:04:27,23 --> 01:04:33,81
Does go there my question is whatever
we do with this independent study

744
01:04:34,33 --> 01:04:41,33
you then would go to them and say this is
what is going to happen to our city this

745
01:04:41,34 --> 01:04:47,47
is what's going to happen to our small
businesses or whatever in the city All right

746
01:04:47,48 --> 01:04:54,21
so you do do that what do you do if
they say OK we will give you so much

747
01:04:54,22 --> 01:04:54,70
money

748
01:04:55,23 --> 01:05:01,70
a year how would you just tribute that
money. You really I'm not sure that I.

749
01:05:03,40 --> 01:05:07,99
I feel it's appropriate for me to talk
about that. Now because I feel like that's

750
01:05:08,00 --> 01:05:08,27
part of

751
01:05:08,28 --> 01:05:13,40
a negotiation that we have to have with
them and I but I mean wouldn't that money

752
01:05:13,41 --> 01:05:18,41
be used to help businesses in this setting
if most definitely this would be I mean

753
01:05:18,42 --> 01:05:24,21
this is an impeccable amik impact we're not
making an argument that that the casino

754
01:05:24,22 --> 01:05:27,55
is going to tax our water system are
going to tax our you know as we know the

755
01:05:27,56 --> 01:05:34,28
strain on our traffic system this is purely
about our local and so any sort of an

756
01:05:34,29 --> 01:05:39,75
agreement that we craft would be geared
towards mitigating and again I want to be

757
01:05:39,76 --> 01:05:45,33
clear this is not about you know North
Hampton versus Springfield I count my

758
01:05:45,34 --> 01:05:49,24
grandson's bay there and I understand it's
an impact and or stand why Springfield

759
01:05:49,25 --> 01:05:53,79
pursuing this I've talked to there are
about it he understands why I'm doing what

760
01:05:53,80 --> 01:06:00,22
I'm doing to protect my city and but again
the law was very clear and assurances

761
01:06:00,23 --> 01:06:06,53
were made to communities that you know
community impacts and mitigation were going

762
01:06:06,54 --> 01:06:06,74
to be

763
01:06:06,75 --> 01:06:11,79
a part of this whole licensure framework and
so you know we're going to avail ourselves

764
01:06:11,80 --> 01:06:16,86
of that I want to thank you as our mayor
for doing what you're doing and moving on

765
01:06:16,87 --> 01:06:21,44
this quickly and this needs to
be down definitely Thank you.

766
01:06:24,25 --> 01:06:29,39
Councillor Tracy it is. Just the
state recognizes it impacts

767
01:06:29,44 --> 01:06:33,75
a litany of impacts in all communities for
these they actually recognize that they

768
01:06:34,04 --> 01:06:40,90
said there is going to be an impact
in every every study. All through

769
01:06:40,91 --> 01:06:46,47
Maine. But it city they will talk about
the impact in the surrounding community

770
01:06:46,64 --> 01:06:53,53
from these casinos. And I see the word
negative here and I'm glad that it's just

771
01:06:53,54 --> 01:06:57,08
potential negative impacts because there's
really no positive impact as far as I'm

772
01:06:57,12 --> 01:06:59,77
I'm not a big supporter
of casinos I'm not really

773
01:06:59,78 --> 01:07:03,08
a supporter of taken twenty two thousand
bucks out of the stabilization fund that's

774
01:07:03,09 --> 01:07:08,41
already crippled I think. But I think it's
probably going to be money that will be

775
01:07:08,41 --> 01:07:14,28
. Well spent but do you think this study
is going to say anything different than

776
01:07:14,29 --> 01:07:18,68
every other study that's been done on this
I think the difficult one how much clout

777
01:07:19,17 --> 01:07:25,45
will this does he have in our
presentation to the state. Again I

778
01:07:26,32 --> 01:07:28,30
trying to hate to use

779
01:07:28,31 --> 01:07:33,54
a gambling metaphor trying to keep my cards
close to the vest here but I want you

780
01:07:33,55 --> 01:07:38,22
to show me your I don't believe there's
been any studies done by M.G.M.

781
01:07:38,46 --> 01:07:45,17
Related to these sorts of impacts so
at least in the Pioneer Valley and

782
01:07:45,18 --> 01:07:51,69
particularly the North Hampton views of
the Springfield so. So you know to the

783
01:07:51,70 --> 01:07:55,85
extent that we provide information to
the commission that's relevant to our

784
01:07:55,86 --> 01:08:00,38
specific argument I think it's incumbent
upon us to do that I don't think we can

785
01:08:00,39 --> 01:08:05,07
stand before them and say you know we have
arts and retail and entertainment what

786
01:08:05,08 --> 01:08:08,67
we really want to be able to do is drill
down into the numbers about you know

787
01:08:08,68 --> 01:08:12,85
discretionary income and looking at median
incomes and looking at spending patterns

788
01:08:12,86 --> 01:08:17,82
and and these firms that we're talking
with do these kinds of studies all around

789
01:08:17,83 --> 01:08:21,99
the country they do them for they do
them for casinos they do them for for

790
01:08:22,00 --> 01:08:28,90
communities they have access to databases
and economic numbers and they're

791
01:08:28,91 --> 01:08:34,70
able to really drill down and be able to
look at what are potential impacts hotel

792
01:08:34,71 --> 01:08:41,14
room occupancy. You know spending in
restaurants using you know using the kinds of

793
01:08:41,15 --> 01:08:47,71
data that Mr McGovern was talking about the
trade associations compile. And and you

794
01:08:47,72 --> 01:08:53,11
know. Looking at things like you know
meals tax and sales tax which we have

795
01:08:53,12 --> 01:08:57,91
a lot of really good local specific data
around these are all data points that

796
01:08:57,92 --> 01:08:58,86
we'll be able to take

797
01:08:58,87 --> 01:09:05,35
a look at and and so that's why I think
it's important that we really provide with

798
01:09:05,36 --> 01:09:11,87
something that's really focused on North
Hampton I intend to support I just try to

799
01:09:11,88 --> 01:09:15,79
wrap my head around whether or not it's
going to be and again believe me I wish I

800
01:09:15,80 --> 01:09:20,19
wasn't having to to dip into our stabilization
account I wish we weren't having to

801
01:09:20,20 --> 01:09:23,18
deal with this issue I'm not
a supporter of the C.E.O.

802
01:09:23,19 --> 01:09:27,76
Game. I'd rather spend my time working with
the state on projects like the governor

803
01:09:27,77 --> 01:09:31,48
announced yesterday which is going to
create you know it's going to give funding

804
01:09:31,49 --> 01:09:36,24
for communities to create infrastructure
that's going to help support you know real

805
01:09:36,43 --> 01:09:41,13
local and regional economic development
those are the kinds of projects I'd like to

806
01:09:41,14 --> 01:09:46,75
work with the state on but but along with
supporting this I will also support the

807
01:09:46,76 --> 01:09:51,54
financial commitments of local businesses
that might want to help out with this

808
01:09:51,55 --> 01:09:56,33
study. Thank you know that and they
understand how important this is as well.

809
01:09:58,77 --> 01:09:59,71
I support the sorters have

810
01:09:59,72 --> 01:10:04,24
a couple times since you stated that the
city hired tourney specializing in the

811
01:10:04,25 --> 01:10:05,65
casino industry to negotiate

812
01:10:05,66 --> 01:10:08,86
a key community agreement and that those
negotiation didn't really get us very far

813
01:10:08,86 --> 01:10:15,04
. So I have had I have
had I had meetings with

814
01:10:15,05 --> 01:10:17,41
representatives from M.G.M.

815
01:10:17,50 --> 01:10:22,09
Myself officials front with officials
of with officials from M.G.M.

816
01:10:22,10 --> 01:10:27,15
Officials from Mohican Sun with the two
primary folks that I've had meetings with.

817
01:10:28,52 --> 01:10:35,24
Somewhat you know very. Formal preliminary
types of discussions about different

818
01:10:35,25 --> 01:10:40,82
issues. We've then as we moved into
the latter stages of the process

819
01:10:41,79 --> 01:10:47,79
because of the really strict requirements
and timelines we really wanted to make

820
01:10:47,80 --> 01:10:52,39
sure that we had the best advice around how
to navigate the process and making sure

821
01:10:52,40 --> 01:10:57,57
we were doing everything we needed to do
to him to follow the law and so part of

822
01:10:57,58 --> 01:11:04,19
that was you know formalizing our request
to negotiate for negotiations through you

823
01:11:04,20 --> 01:11:09,10
know legal correspondence and communication
between our lawyer and and G.M.'s

824
01:11:09,11 --> 01:11:16,11
lawyer so that was the decision to engage
and that and in fact the our legal

825
01:11:16,12 --> 01:11:21,16
counsel will in fact so the way the process
works before the gaming commission is

826
01:11:21,17 --> 01:11:27,06
when we after the deadline tolls on December
thirty first we have ten days to file

827
01:11:27,56 --> 01:11:33,93
for this file directly with them first
for surrounding community status they'll

828
01:11:33,94 --> 01:11:37,63
then essentially have a gaming
commission will then hold

829
01:11:37,64 --> 01:11:41,98
a hearing and we know this because in
our council knows this because they've

830
01:11:41,99 --> 01:11:47,64
already done sort of done this process on
the slots licensing which is the earlier

831
01:11:47,65 --> 01:11:54,14
process that they've already done and so
essentially the way it's worked is. Sort

832
01:11:54,15 --> 01:11:58,18
of is by would remind you of like
an appellate argument before

833
01:11:58,19 --> 01:12:02,14
a before an appellate court you know each
side gets ten minutes or fifteen minutes

834
01:12:02,15 --> 01:12:08,20
basically to make their argument and submit
briefs and so so that will be the forum

835
01:12:08,21 --> 01:12:13,98
in which we will have not only our legal
counsel making arguments on behalf of the

836
01:12:13,99 --> 01:12:19,34
city but then this particular consulting
firm that we will be hiring to make

837
01:12:19,35 --> 01:12:24,53
a presentation as well and then obviously
the licensee will have an opportunity to

838
01:12:24,54 --> 01:12:24,76
make

839
01:12:24,77 --> 01:12:31,57
a presentation then the way the process
works is that if. The assent. SALIE

840
01:12:31,75 --> 01:12:32,07
there's

841
01:12:32,08 --> 01:12:36,75
a thirty day arbitration process that they
can go into effect if that's what the

842
01:12:36,76 --> 01:12:37,20
M.G.M.

843
01:12:37,48 --> 01:12:40,91
That's what the gaming commission decides
where the century they give us thirty

844
01:12:40,92 --> 01:12:45,29
days the parties thirty
days to try to mediate

845
01:12:46,20 --> 01:12:52,72
a solution and then ultimately the gaming
commission can make a decision so it's

846
01:12:52,73 --> 01:12:53,36
a very

847
01:12:54,06 --> 01:12:59,92
a fairly. Tightly regulated system it's

848
01:12:59,93 --> 01:13:03,46
a little bit of uncharted waters although
we've Swedes sort of seen how the process

849
01:13:03,47 --> 01:13:08,66
has worked in the slots licensing but
that's why we we believed it was important

850
01:13:08,67 --> 01:13:13,78
and council we're working with has worked
with is representing other surrounding

851
01:13:13,79 --> 01:13:20,00
communities in Massachusetts and so
that's why we made that decision are they

852
01:13:20,01 --> 01:13:25,91
prepared at the same rate as their solicitor
in this case. In this case they are

853
01:13:25,92 --> 01:13:32,36
not and and in part because of the short
timeframe of the work and because of the

854
01:13:32,37 --> 01:13:39,12
fact that we are going to be seeking
reimbursement this is sort of the format that

855
01:13:39,13 --> 01:13:40,94
we're following so we are paying them

856
01:13:40,95 --> 01:13:46,21
a slightly higher as of the specialized
nature and hopefully we can hear not

857
01:13:46,22 --> 01:13:51,99
necessarily the not necessarily you're
correct again I hate to keep coming back to

858
01:13:52,00 --> 01:13:54,23
these metaphors but we're
obviously gambling

859
01:13:54,24 --> 01:13:59,82
a bit here but I believe again it's
incumbent upon us not to gamble with.

860
01:14:00,91 --> 01:14:06,00
With allowing this to proceed without
without advocating for Northhampton and

861
01:14:06,01 --> 01:14:12,43
potential loss how how how much if you want
to say if you don't that's fine too the

862
01:14:12,44 --> 01:14:16,83
entities that said they'd help offset this
twenty thousand to one extent or they

863
01:14:17,47 --> 01:14:24,45
contributed. Again so far we've
just had verbal discussions and

864
01:14:24,46 --> 01:14:28,56
again this is just over the last couple
of days so there's obviously going to be

865
01:14:28,57 --> 01:14:35,45
more discussions and more and more talk
but. Trying to do some quick math in my

866
01:14:35,46 --> 01:14:40,75
head I think right now we're about at
I think five to six thousand has been

867
01:14:40,76 --> 01:14:45,62
committed you know they get reimbursed if
we're going Well I think the way and I

868
01:14:45,63 --> 01:14:49,97
don't want to get into too much of this or
I don't want to speculate too much about

869
01:14:49,98 --> 01:14:55,91
it but clearly if we move forward and go
through the reimbursement process and the

870
01:14:55,92 --> 01:15:01,65
cities reimbursed then that would probably
that would be one thing but in this case

871
01:15:02,18 --> 01:15:03,63
I think we would see that as

872
01:15:03,64 --> 01:15:10,32
a way to help defray those costs if in
fact we were reversed. Not to then create

873
01:15:10,33 --> 01:15:14,29
a situation where there's six or seven or
eight or nine different people filing for

874
01:15:14,30 --> 01:15:19,81
reimbursement I think it makes its makes
more sense for us to put the money upfront

875
01:15:19,82 --> 01:15:26,61
for the study and then and then seek
reimbursement. But again I these

876
01:15:26,62 --> 01:15:31,05
are strong commitments from the chamber
from the bid and some from individual

877
01:15:31,06 --> 01:15:36,42
business owners as well thank
you. Thank you question from

878
01:15:36,46 --> 01:15:39,73
a schedule question bringer it's
what's the process by which

879
01:15:39,80 --> 01:15:45,31
a. Mitigation agreement is I mean obviously
the mayor you've negotiated for the

880
01:15:45,32 --> 01:15:52,30
city does the Council approve it is it
just signed. After you negotiated and how

881
01:15:52,31 --> 01:15:54,66
has it worked Yeah actually that's

882
01:15:54,67 --> 01:16:01,06
a good. We're so we haven't gotten
that far I'd have to I'd have to

883
01:16:01,85 --> 01:16:07,86
think about that obviously had I worked
with them to come up with an agreement I

884
01:16:07,87 --> 01:16:13,74
would certainly it would be my intent to
bring back to the city council to. Form

885
01:16:13,75 --> 01:16:18,82
new evidence secure I believe that's the
process at least that was the process with

886
01:16:18,83 --> 01:16:24,04
the host. I don't know that. I'll
have to get back to you with

887
01:16:24,05 --> 01:16:28,49
a specific answer on that exact procedure
yeah well as I just want to know I mean

888
01:16:28,99 --> 01:16:33,35
so far as you know the council will be
able to see the agreement and be able to I

889
01:16:33,36 --> 01:16:37,83
would I would be my Obviously my intent
to consult with the Council on this

890
01:16:37,84 --> 01:16:39,64
definitely Or maybe

891
01:16:39,65 --> 01:16:43,97
a committee of the council or something
Exactly so the other thing I want to echo

892
01:16:43,98 --> 01:16:50,95
what counselor in the barge said. You
know this study is done well it is

893
01:16:50,96 --> 01:16:52,14
in certain respects

894
01:16:52,18 --> 01:16:58,66
a double edged sword I mean it will also
be what should also be formative about

895
01:16:59,37 --> 01:17:04,36
the kind of mitigation we're looking for
and where that where those funds or those

896
01:17:04,78 --> 01:17:10,27
or those resources be are allocated and I
just I hope that. Doesn't say it in the

897
01:17:10,28 --> 01:17:17,00
order but I hope that. The you use the
data not only to make the case that the

898
01:17:17,04 --> 01:17:22,06
it's that the city will be affected because
it will but also that the particular

899
01:17:22,07 --> 01:17:24,47
elements of the city are
addressed they have

900
01:17:24,59 --> 01:17:31,18
a predicament we expect to be fact are
addressed in the in the medication agreement

901
01:17:31,19 --> 01:17:34,75
Thank you Steph and the other for some
comments for before we go back to our.

902
01:17:39,17 --> 01:17:44,26
One thing that I think regardless even if
we don't get mitigation this report will

903
01:17:44,27 --> 01:17:46,79
prove to be valuable as we
try to figure out how we as

904
01:17:46,80 --> 01:17:50,43
a community if we are going to get it and
how we're going to rest for the problems

905
01:17:50,44 --> 01:17:53,84
and the challenges that we're going to be
facing and leases that will define the

906
01:17:53,85 --> 01:17:57,96
landscape for us and we'll see what we're
up against so in that respect it's

907
01:17:57,97 --> 01:17:58,81
a it's a it's

908
01:17:58,82 --> 01:18:05,03
a thoughtful investment and. Even if it
doesn't succeed in swaying the commission.

909
01:18:08,40 --> 01:18:13,64
There's one other thing that when when
gambling was certified in casino gambling

910
01:18:13,65 --> 01:18:18,39
was authorized and certified here in the
state at the time the Arden was of course

911
01:18:18,40 --> 01:18:24,91
the money was draining out to Connecticut
vast quantities this huge gushing flow of

912
01:18:24,95 --> 01:18:31,64
money and the idea was that when they
established these. Casinos that it would

913
01:18:31,65 --> 01:18:38,28
retain the money that's flowing out to
Connecticut at the same time the expand and

914
01:18:38,43 --> 01:18:44,64
attract money from Vermont in New Hampshire
New York well right now New Hampshire

915
01:18:44,65 --> 01:18:51,03
in New York are both. About to approve
Pacino's which then means that the catchment

916
01:18:51,04 --> 01:18:57,79
area for this casino that now going looks
like it might happen is much smaller it's

917
01:18:57,81 --> 01:19:03,01
reduced to principally the pine and Ellis
are going to go out east because whatever

918
01:19:03,01 --> 01:19:03,58
casino gets

919
01:19:03,60 --> 01:19:07,26
a separate the two other casinos going to
stablish in the east are going to grab

920
01:19:07,26 --> 01:19:12,44
that group so all the only people they're
going to try to appeal to are the people

921
01:19:12,46 --> 01:19:19,44
that North Hampton relies on or are our
resources in our sense of places I said

922
01:19:20,07 --> 01:19:26,64
so even if that report doesn't.
I hope it does I hope it

923
01:19:26,65 --> 01:19:29,91
does but it may be we will have that love

924
01:19:29,92 --> 01:19:34,51
a sense of where the discretionary dollars
are coming from how they migrate and

925
01:19:34,52 --> 01:19:40,91
what we get hopefully do in in trying
to offset the impact of those that will

926
01:19:40,92 --> 01:19:47,80
surely realize Councillor
Mark. Another concern I have

927
01:19:47,84 --> 01:19:54,70
is I think worth more in son
at one point the selectmen

928
01:19:54,76 --> 01:20:01,64
and select woman from Palmer also were
invited to the casino. They had some kind of

929
01:20:01,65 --> 01:20:06,72
a conference going on where that part of
the government was some volves would we be

930
01:20:06,95 --> 01:20:12,86
doing that also being involved with any
kind of mediation that's going on or just

931
01:20:12,87 --> 01:20:16,73
you yourself made the case of the Board
of Selectmen they are the executive for

932
01:20:16,74 --> 01:20:23,01
a town so that's why the Board of
Selectmen. So in the communities where it's

933
01:20:23,02 --> 01:20:28,11
a mare form of government it's the mayor
that's usually involved in those in those

934
01:20:28,15 --> 01:20:33,35
negotiations so that's the difference and
I can assure you I won't be taking any

935
01:20:33,36 --> 01:20:34,45
trips to any M.G.H.

936
01:20:34,45 --> 01:20:39,98
. I didn't take thought after tasting Yeah
I want to caution everybody and remind

937
01:20:39,99 --> 01:20:44,11
everybody two of the last two commitments
for reimbursement from the state one

938
01:20:44,12 --> 01:20:48,20
being the ash and spray in the well
they never materialized either so.

939
01:20:52,05 --> 01:20:58,41
Well I do want to comment about this because
I know casinos very well I worked out

940
01:20:58,42 --> 01:21:02,68
of them for many many many years and
I think Mr McGovern's analogy of

941
01:21:02,69 --> 01:21:09,42
a black hole is very very accurate for
what casinos do. They draw in money

942
01:21:09,67 --> 01:21:15,72
but only to the casino and they not only
draw in money from outside the state

943
01:21:15,73 --> 01:21:21,36
potentially but they draw in money from the
neighborhoods and the communities where

944
01:21:21,37 --> 01:21:26,15
the casino is and from the casinos around
there I mean you've heard me speak

945
01:21:26,16 --> 01:21:30,99
disparagingly about our great general court
before but this is probably the most

946
01:21:31,00 --> 01:21:35,15
despicable thing the state has ever forced
on us the legislature in the governor

947
01:21:36,02 --> 01:21:41,00
because this is the greatest form of
progressive taxation you can come up with this

948
01:21:41,01 --> 01:21:46,06
hurts the most vulnerable members of our
community this hurts the people that no

949
01:21:46,07 --> 01:21:49,09
legislature legislator in
Massachusetts would ever vote for

950
01:21:49,10 --> 01:21:54,44
a tax this regressive but they bring us
casinos and it kills these people it hurts

951
01:21:54,45 --> 01:22:01,45
families the most vulnerable families and
hurt small businesses in the area. Always

952
01:22:01,46 --> 01:22:06,64
the most vulnerable people the only reason
the state went for this is because they

953
01:22:06,65 --> 01:22:10,40
feel they're going to profit share in this
but frankly every dollar they collect.

954
01:22:11,15 --> 01:22:14,74
They're going to end up spending to solve
the collateral damage at these places

955
01:22:14,75 --> 01:22:19,53
cause because the casinos don't solve the
community problems in the family problems

956
01:22:19,54 --> 01:22:23,47
in the business problems in the crime
problems the state has to do that and it's

957
01:22:23,48 --> 01:22:27,61
going to suck up every dime they end up
getting from this in the long run and even

958
01:22:27,62 --> 01:22:33,43
Springfield I mean they have to I think
try and fiddle around with provisions of

959
01:22:33,44 --> 01:22:37,20
Proposition two in the levy ceiling to
even collect this money because I think

960
01:22:37,21 --> 01:22:42,20
they're like bashing into their levy
ceiling under Proposition two now so even

961
01:22:42,21 --> 01:22:44,99
though they're greedy about it they've
got to get some special relief from

962
01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:49,52
proposition to even take the money the
tax money from the casino into the whole

963
01:22:49,53 --> 01:22:55,01
thing is on sustainably insane you know
so I'm happy to support this but I mean

964
01:22:55,02 --> 01:22:55,92
there's been

965
01:22:55,93 --> 01:23:01,09
a failure at any level of government
that thinks that the profit sharing that

966
01:23:01,10 --> 01:23:05,44
they're going to get out of this is going
to be worth the damage that they're going

967
01:23:05,45 --> 01:23:09,30
to have to try and fix in their communities
in the long run I mean anybody doesn't

968
01:23:09,31 --> 01:23:13,35
believe that should take a trip down
to Atlantic City and walk don't walk

969
01:23:13,39 --> 01:23:17,76
a block away from the casino because
you'll be murdered probably but it's it

970
01:23:17,77 --> 01:23:23,13
doesn't take much looking around to tell.
The problems that this is going to cause

971
01:23:23,29 --> 01:23:28,15
in the long run and I'm I'm going to a
meeting in Las Vegas next week you know

972
01:23:28,64 --> 01:23:32,58
a mecca of this kind of stuff
and that community's you know

973
01:23:32,62 --> 01:23:36,59
a unique place but it should really stay
that way you know people should have the

974
01:23:36,60 --> 01:23:41,12
voluntarily fly into the middle of this
thinking desert to do this sort of thing at

975
01:23:41,13 --> 01:23:44,79
because there's nothing else there
to destroy but here it's going to be

976
01:23:44,99 --> 01:23:49,08
a terrible thing in the long run and it's
very shortsighted by the governor in the

977
01:23:49,09 --> 01:23:53,42
legislature who gone down this road and
tempted the government to do the same it's

978
01:23:53,43 --> 01:23:56,94
awful sorry so what you're saying is adamant
about that which is what happens in

979
01:23:56,95 --> 01:24:02,80
Vegas stays in Vegas so much we do that
well and in Atlantic City perhaps. But it's

980
01:24:03,28 --> 01:24:09,24
it's a terrible thing and and whatever
mitigation we get from them is going to be

981
01:24:09,25 --> 01:24:13,47
a drop in the bucket to what it does
to our communities our most vulnerable

982
01:24:13,48 --> 01:24:15,19
citizens in our small businesses it's

983
01:24:15,89 --> 01:24:20,47
a terrible terrible decision that was
made well well beyond our level but it's

984
01:24:20,48 --> 01:24:25,55
a scary thing counselor I intend to support
this and there's really nothing good

985
01:24:25,56 --> 01:24:25,84
about

986
01:24:26,26 --> 01:24:31,46
a casino expression which And it's all
negative and I'm not I I don't support casinos

987
01:24:31,47 --> 01:24:36,03
in any way shape or form but. I'm happy
to support this and I'd like to call it

988
01:24:36,04 --> 01:24:39,78
question. Any other
comics so all in favor of

989
01:24:39,79 --> 01:24:46,14
a positive recommendation and
he post. Thank you very much.

990
01:24:47,31 --> 01:24:47,39
For.

991
01:24:57,21 --> 01:25:02,89
The long run. Upon the recommendation of
the Community Preservation Committee order

992
01:25:02,90 --> 01:25:07,45
that whereas the North Upton community
Conservation Commission submitted an

993
01:25:07,46 --> 01:25:12,56
application for Community Preservation Act
funds for an ecological assessment of

994
01:25:12,57 --> 01:25:14,99
open space and where is
the project will develop

995
01:25:15,00 --> 01:25:19,07
a plan to be approved by the Conservation
Commission that will allow for effective

996
01:25:19,08 --> 01:25:24,87
management of Northampton's open spaces
protecting habitat and biodiversity whereas

997
01:25:24,88 --> 01:25:28,99
the project meets the goals of the North
Hampton sustainability plan and space

998
01:25:28,100 --> 01:25:34,94
recreation multi-use trail plans and whereas
on November twentieth two thousand and

999
01:25:34,95 --> 01:25:39,26
thirteen the Northampton Community
Preservation Commission voted unanimously to

1000
01:25:39,27 --> 01:25:43,91
recommend that thirty thousand dollars in
community provision Preservation Act Pons

1001
01:25:44,31 --> 01:25:48,73
be used to support this project now therefore
be it ordered that thirty thousand

1002
01:25:48,74 --> 01:25:53,93
dollars be appropriated from the Community
Preservation Act One Act funding to the

1003
01:25:53,94 --> 01:25:58,66
Conservation Commission for the North Hampton
ecological assessment and face plant

1004
01:25:58,93 --> 01:26:02,76
and that the granting meets the conditions
approved by the Community Preservation

1005
01:26:02,77 --> 01:26:06,61
Committee the mayor and the City Council
specifically thirty thousand is

1006
01:26:06,62 --> 01:26:08,38
appropriated from the C.P.A.

1007
01:26:08,39 --> 01:26:15,12
Budget reserved for this purpose
to recommend. Truck and we have

1008
01:26:15,33 --> 01:26:20,55
little valley here tonight recommended
Sara Lee Valley second of eight I.

1009
01:26:23,53 --> 01:26:27,67
Think. So as you know the Conservation
Commission has really really great at

1010
01:26:27,68 --> 01:26:34,35
acquiring open spaces you
know. Priority space

1011
01:26:34,36 --> 01:26:35,91
purchases but something that's

1012
01:26:35,92 --> 01:26:41,13
a little more difficult has been effective
management of this of these areas and

1013
01:26:41,40 --> 01:26:45,24
prioritizing what we should do and what's
best for the environment and things that

1014
01:26:45,25 --> 01:26:47,82
we should we should tackle
first and was really

1015
01:26:47,83 --> 01:26:50,90
a priority so the Community Preservation
Committee felt that this was

1016
01:26:50,91 --> 01:26:57,55
a really important project to allow the
conservation to do that. Which is where.

1017
01:27:01,35 --> 01:27:01,84
We don't have

1018
01:27:01,85 --> 01:27:08,51
a plan we do not not currently know we
continue to absorb space by hundreds of

1019
01:27:08,52 --> 01:27:13,72
acres I think twenty three percent of the
land mass of the city in North it is now

1020
01:27:15,72 --> 01:27:21,85
conservation protected in some way so what
we're looking at more to take on tonight

1021
01:27:22,15 --> 01:27:26,25
so what the plan what the city does have
is an open space and Recreation plan which

1022
01:27:26,26 --> 01:27:30,34
has overarching goals for how we should
be managing our land but as far as the

1023
01:27:30,35 --> 01:27:34,14
nitty gritty details of how we should do
that how do we control invasive species

1024
01:27:34,15 --> 01:27:37,27
what are the threats what are the opportunities
were the commission doesn't really

1025
01:27:37,28 --> 01:27:43,59
know how to do them. A Let that go in.

1026
01:27:44,64 --> 01:27:51,18
A couple of hours. There are I have
concerns here about the open space and

1027
01:27:51,89 --> 01:27:58,51
with the land that have been
buying at the meeting that we

1028
01:27:59,21 --> 01:28:05,95
had just recently. Allowing
hunters to hunt on conservation

1029
01:28:05,96 --> 01:28:12,38
land it was brought up by several
residents especially like on suggest

1030
01:28:12,39 --> 01:28:19,23
a road area with salt hills and there
that when people are walking the trails

1031
01:28:19,24 --> 01:28:26,13
now here we've gotten property but
they are saying that the there is

1032
01:28:26,22 --> 01:28:33,08
nothing being marked what the
city versus private property. And

1033
01:28:33,09 --> 01:28:40,01
private property owners are
complaining about how the city is not

1034
01:28:40,31 --> 01:28:46,94
doing surveying and marking the
property of the city on its cell

1035
01:28:47,43 --> 01:28:50,06
would this be included
that will not that's

1036
01:28:50,07 --> 01:28:54,30
a separate issue that's being addressed
by conservation areas so we're currently

1037
01:28:54,31 --> 01:28:58,99
working on serving and more all of the
lives and properties that we've bought in

1038
01:28:59,00 --> 01:29:04,71
throughout the city York not up on have
been survey so when you're making trails.

1039
01:29:06,66 --> 01:29:11,26
When you're doing the trails and there
are not property lines many of our

1040
01:29:11,27 --> 01:29:15,03
conservation areas have been posted and
white and most of them have been surveyed

1041
01:29:15,04 --> 01:29:18,74
but were rather taken filling those and out
and they had the property lines set up

1042
01:29:18,88 --> 01:29:23,85
you can see the stakes not all of them do
but all of the new acquisitions include

1043
01:29:23,86 --> 01:29:26,96
that as part of that because that is
generally And we're working on going back

1044
01:29:26,97 --> 01:29:28,57
pressure but I'm just saying that's

1045
01:29:28,58 --> 01:29:32,66
a really important serious weakness
people are complaining about.

1046
01:29:35,48 --> 01:29:42,20
And your other questions are part. Just
to be clear SARAH So this is actually

1047
01:29:42,59 --> 01:29:43,17
we're talking about

1048
01:29:43,18 --> 01:29:49,12
a plan that will be for effect of management
as it says here for being able to as

1049
01:29:49,13 --> 01:29:54,27
you mentioned determine what the level
of invasive species is and biological

1050
01:29:54,99 --> 01:30:01,03
habitat considerations Yes So this is kind
of the nitty gritty that you referred to

1051
01:30:01,72 --> 01:30:06,100
as opposed to the overarching open space
recreation plan that we do is out in the

1052
01:30:07,01 --> 01:30:11,41
city and I think to which councilor Tacey
might have been referring when he was

1053
01:30:11,42 --> 01:30:13,77
asking about whether we
have a plan you know

1054
01:30:13,81 --> 01:30:19,99
a space plan because I've heard it
referenced many times and. In many different

1055
01:30:20,17 --> 01:30:24,15
capacities so I just want to us to be
clear that there is an open space and

1056
01:30:24,16 --> 01:30:26,35
Recreation Yeah absolutely
so this would be

1057
01:30:26,36 --> 01:30:31,20
a major died and this is detailed about
the habitat management of habitat and

1058
01:30:31,21 --> 01:30:36,77
ecological considerations on that land Yeah
and this would be by conservation areas

1059
01:30:36,78 --> 01:30:40,99
so we could see for example in Fitzgerald's
what are what are the threats that

1060
01:30:41,00 --> 01:30:44,90
invasive species are made of habitats and
how should we be addressing when there's

1061
01:30:44,91 --> 01:30:50,23
the same in every area is it mostly about.
Plant life and that type of thing are

1062
01:30:50,24 --> 01:30:54,26
there so that you mentioned also habitats
or does this as Council of barge

1063
01:30:54,27 --> 01:30:59,34
mentioned this have any impact and so the
current discussion about the hunting and

1064
01:30:59,66 --> 01:31:04,81
it could potentially a far consultant
decides that one particular area has

1065
01:31:04,82 --> 01:31:06,52
a particular concern was D.

1066
01:31:06,53 --> 01:31:07,32
Or that there's

1067
01:31:07,33 --> 01:31:12,49
a lot of overgrazing and they're damaging
the habitat but. That may not come up it

1068
01:31:12,50 --> 01:31:13,08
is really just

1069
01:31:13,09 --> 01:31:17,29
a way of generating data and getting
information about those particulars on these

1070
01:31:17,43 --> 01:31:22,86
diseases Thanks. Come before consultation
anyone over here before we go back to.

1071
01:31:24,71 --> 01:31:28,10
You know if they continue to hear all the
time as we go through these different

1072
01:31:28,11 --> 01:31:34,54
blocks of land that we acquired of wildlife
corridors and invasive plants I made

1073
01:31:34,55 --> 01:31:40,34
her this all before and every one of these.
Purchases of these acquisitions and I

1074
01:31:40,35 --> 01:31:42,51
really am astounded that there isn't

1075
01:31:42,85 --> 01:31:48,78
a plan for management I had just assumed
that as we continue to take all of this

1076
01:31:48,82 --> 01:31:52,15
and that and then when I look at more that
we're going to get it again take tonight

1077
01:31:53,44 --> 01:31:58,90
or purchase or acquire it just strikes me
as odd what the commission does now is

1078
01:31:58,91 --> 01:32:03,100
that they go after big problems for example
at the quarry of Mineral Hill there was

1079
01:32:04,01 --> 01:32:07,37
a tremendous problem with invasive species
and some funding became available so we

1080
01:32:07,38 --> 01:32:11,58
tackle the problems there but sort of just
piecemeal as funding becomes available

1081
01:32:11,58 --> 01:32:17,21
and we don't have an overarching plan for
how to deal with that. So I would think

1082
01:32:17,22 --> 01:32:20,67
that what we would continue that
we would come up with a plan

1083
01:32:20,68 --> 01:32:25,55
a management plan before we can take any
more land it was the idea that image that

1084
01:32:25,56 --> 01:32:28,43
we have already people like you are telling
us that we don't even know if we can

1085
01:32:28,44 --> 01:32:33,70
manage what we have or how are we going to
go about it it's managing for ecological

1086
01:32:33,71 --> 01:32:37,84
health OK thank you we just want to make
sure that we're doing that is as best we

1087
01:32:37,85 --> 01:32:43,86
can yeah I think we're getting confused in
terms here and maybe that's the language

1088
01:32:43,87 --> 01:32:50,73
which is drafted maybe that's part of. A
Minute from planned is there's varying

1089
01:32:50,74 --> 01:32:54,51
degrees of management plan in the original
management plan the plan the curtain the

1090
01:32:54,52 --> 01:33:00,10
overarching management plan the council
Carney referred to is the one that deals

1091
01:33:00,11 --> 01:33:06,23
with acquisition and deals with
management. Issues that are more mete.

1092
01:33:07,22 --> 01:33:12,52
Am I safe in assuming that they're. The
deal with the more and this is one that

1093
01:33:12,93 --> 01:33:17,30
addresses as you described
it the nitty gritty This is

1094
01:33:17,31 --> 01:33:24,08
a management plan that that allows you
the flexibility to be more proactive or

1095
01:33:24,91 --> 01:33:30,87
less than reactive as you're describing
Yes exactly and this would also be an

1096
01:33:30,88 --> 01:33:31,34
update of

1097
01:33:31,35 --> 01:33:34,51
a plan that was done about twenty years
ago of the city's open space at that time

1098
01:33:34,52 --> 01:33:38,64
which has been incredibly valuable for the
commission but is obviously known out of

1099
01:33:38,65 --> 01:33:44,72
date right there's there's been substantial
land acquisition since then and. And

1100
01:33:44,93 --> 01:33:48,82
and then to mention other variables like
climate change and other things that might

1101
01:33:48,98 --> 01:33:50,44
that might precipitate

1102
01:33:50,45 --> 01:33:57,53
a need for this thank. Any
other on this one. Comes

1103
01:33:57,55 --> 01:34:03,10
to Freeman days. Correct me if I'm wrong
but some of the conservation land that

1104
01:34:03,26 --> 01:34:09,78
tell me about the land that's where the
conservation restriction is held by. The

1105
01:34:09,79 --> 01:34:14,57
broader coalition or something I mean they.
Do this kind of ecological management

1106
01:34:14,57 --> 01:34:15,81
themselves and second

1107
01:34:15,82 --> 01:34:19,66
a broader coalition is incredibly active
in dealing with invasive species so

1108
01:34:19,70 --> 01:34:23,82
happily that's that's one area where we
wouldn't really have as many problems to

1109
01:34:23,82 --> 01:34:29,32
deal with. But some areas there really
hasn't been much habitat management and

1110
01:34:30,25 --> 01:34:36,60
there's. All kind of so.
Conservation land that's

1111
01:34:37,06 --> 01:34:41,79
owned by the city but held by other it's
this would also fall under this yes

1112
01:34:41,83 --> 01:34:45,81
absolutely it wouldn't include
land on which the city holds

1113
01:34:45,82 --> 01:34:50,39
a conservation restriction so it would
only be the city's land yes land that

1114
01:34:50,80 --> 01:34:56,77
privately owned Yes city holds its But
this could potentially. Work to generate

1115
01:34:56,78 --> 01:35:02,11
some goals and objectives for
private landowners see as well. So.

1116
01:35:05,50 --> 01:35:09,73
That's interesting. I mean how much more
would have just to do the one to also

1117
01:35:09,74 --> 01:35:14,87
include the ones that the city. Has for
what we don't we don't really know at this

1118
01:35:14,88 --> 01:35:18,81
point this is just sort of a
baseline figure to allow us to hire

1119
01:35:18,82 --> 01:35:22,61
a consultant to do some really detailed
work but including additional areas we're

1120
01:35:22,62 --> 01:35:25,83
not really sure about but adjacent
landowners could certainly use the

1121
01:35:25,84 --> 01:35:29,29
recommendations to manage their own
property as well but isn't it when the city

1122
01:35:29,30 --> 01:35:29,96
holds a C.R.

1123
01:35:29,97 --> 01:35:35,57
Isn't it the case that they have to but the
city is in charge of the assessment and

1124
01:35:35,58 --> 01:35:40,33
that the property owners in charge of the
actual man at the actual. Management

1125
01:35:40,61 --> 01:35:42,54
generally when the city holds a C.R.

1126
01:35:42,55 --> 01:35:47,65
We're just ensuring that this is permanently
protected forever so the owner does

1127
01:35:47,66 --> 01:35:52,89
both the Met the assessment and the
management in almost all cases yes a C.R.

1128
01:35:52,90 --> 01:35:58,00
Can have affirmative responsibilities for
the city I can't think of any off the top

1129
01:35:58,01 --> 01:36:02,74
of my head which we have responsibilities
in addition to ensuring the land is

1130
01:36:02,75 --> 01:36:09,50
protected while. So the
city really can't even

1131
01:36:10,28 --> 01:36:15,09
the city is not even responsible for
figuring out whether the land that is

1132
01:36:15,80 --> 01:36:20,69
conserved is being overrun
by invasive Zor as

1133
01:36:20,71 --> 01:36:24,91
a degraded ecological That's
correct. OK So this is

1134
01:36:24,91 --> 01:36:26,90
a drop in the bucket is what
you're telling me well it's not

1135
01:36:26,91 --> 01:36:28,78
a drop in the bucket the
commission does have

1136
01:36:28,79 --> 01:36:32,83
a considerable considerable amount
of protected open space and

1137
01:36:32,84 --> 01:36:36,94
a lot of hard conservation restriction
partners would would be incredibly

1138
01:36:36,96 --> 01:36:41,71
interested in using this plan to manage
their own property as well as in some cases

1139
01:36:41,72 --> 01:36:47,80
it's just that they don't know what the
issues are any other questions on this one

1140
01:36:48,84 --> 01:36:51,05
but then all those in favor of

1141
01:36:51,06 --> 01:36:58,13
a positive recommendation
say are. Opposed abstain

1142
01:36:59,60 --> 01:37:04,70
not using the vote at
all. I'm going to say no.

1143
01:37:11,36 --> 01:37:14,47
Sure will spills because I want
to get a caution about it or get

1144
01:37:14,48 --> 01:37:21,42
a cup All right. The next one is upon

1145
01:37:21,43 --> 01:37:26,38
the recommendation of the Preservation
Committee order that were as home city

1146
01:37:26,65 --> 01:37:30,88
housing submitted an application for the
Community Preservation Act funding for the

1147
01:37:30,89 --> 01:37:36,40
rehabilitation of twenty two of
the next to expand your central.

1148
01:37:42,93 --> 01:37:49,09
Real true There we go. And stay on the
list. It begins the same whereas the

1149
01:37:49,10 --> 01:37:52,52
Northampton Office of Planning and
sustainability submitted a C.V.

1150
01:37:52,53 --> 01:37:55,37
Application for design and construction of

1151
01:37:55,38 --> 01:37:59,02
a multi-use trail from Leeds to Williamsburg
and where is the project meets the

1152
01:37:59,03 --> 01:38:03,77
goals of the Sustainable North Hampton plan
an open space recreation and multi-use

1153
01:38:03,78 --> 01:38:07,33
trail plan and whereas the project
serves more than one C.P.

1154
01:38:07,34 --> 01:38:09,73
a Program area where a C.P.A.

1155
01:38:09,74 --> 01:38:11,02
Funds will be used as

1156
01:38:11,03 --> 01:38:15,67
a match for Federal Land and Water
Conservation Fund grants and whereas on Nov

1157
01:38:15,68 --> 01:38:19,41
twentieth two thousand and thirteen the
Northampton Community for Preservation

1158
01:38:19,42 --> 01:38:23,98
Committee voted unanimously to recommend
two hundred fifty thousand dollars in

1159
01:38:23,99 --> 01:38:28,66
Community Preservation Act funds to be used
in support of this project and whereas

1160
01:38:28,70 --> 01:38:32,97
at least one public meeting should be held
prior to the creation of construction

1161
01:38:32,98 --> 01:38:37,28
documents to allow the public input on
design of the project including but not

1162
01:38:37,29 --> 01:38:42,34
limited to import on the finished surface
of the rail trail on ways to minimize the

1163
01:38:42,35 --> 01:38:46,98
removal of trees and other vegetation during
construction Now therefore be ordered

1164
01:38:47,32 --> 01:38:51,12
the two hundred fifty thousand dollars
be appropriated for unity present action

1165
01:38:51,23 --> 01:38:55,46
Preservation Act funding to the North Hampton
Office of Planning and sustainability

1166
01:38:55,72 --> 01:38:56,22
for the know

1167
01:38:56,23 --> 01:39:00,92
a lot of mass central real trail extension
project and that the grantee meets the

1168
01:39:00,93 --> 01:39:04,66
conditions approved by the Community
Preservation for the mayor and the City

1169
01:39:04,67 --> 01:39:09,04
Council specifically that two hundred
fifty thousand is appropriated from the

1170
01:39:09,05 --> 01:39:09,68
C.P.A.

1171
01:39:09,69 --> 01:39:16,00
Budgeted reserve for this purpose move to
recommend second I think it. Councilor

1172
01:39:16,01 --> 01:39:22,49
Adams. The order doesn't state. The
amount of of trail to be extended

1173
01:39:22,80 --> 01:39:29,08
so it's but it's to the chair of the the
commune preservation of any state in his

1174
01:39:29,09 --> 01:39:32,49
memory and that's point five but
I thought I read I did read

1175
01:39:32,50 --> 01:39:37,73
a different. Different number in the
newspaper is it point five It is it's

1176
01:39:37,74 --> 01:39:41,38
a twenty five in total so there's two
different segments the part that's covered by

1177
01:39:41,39 --> 01:39:46,51
the Federal Land and Water Conservation
Fund Grant is owned by the city. And the

1178
01:39:46,52 --> 01:39:51,51
other portion is really an easement over
so it's not eligible for those funds but

1179
01:39:51,57 --> 01:39:57,47
the two combined are plenty five miles.
The two combined are yes so what are they

1180
01:39:57,48 --> 01:40:02,11
individually it's I think it's
point three five and a half

1181
01:40:02,12 --> 01:40:08,90
a mile when there. Are
seven. That's pretty odd.

1182
01:40:10,04 --> 01:40:16,87
Other questions or comments.
It's is it. A quarter

1183
01:40:16,89 --> 01:40:18,62
million dollars for less than

1184
01:40:18,64 --> 01:40:24,87
a mile of bike trail that further
gets us closer and closer to

1185
01:40:25,45 --> 01:40:29,82
something perhaps Williamsburg decided I
would like to be part of this rail trail

1186
01:40:30,38 --> 01:40:37,24
but that's not the going rate I
hope for. For the two hundred fifty

1187
01:40:37,25 --> 01:40:40,44
thousand dollars a mile to. To extend

1188
01:40:40,45 --> 01:40:45,80
a rail trail this is about on par with
past you know past costs and this is doing

1189
01:40:45,81 --> 01:40:52,48
the crushed stone as opposed to the pavement.
That's why the the where ass clause

1190
01:40:52,49 --> 01:40:55,87
is in there requiring the
planning office to hold

1191
01:40:55,88 --> 01:40:59,06
a public meeting because that that's not
really determined at this point in the

1192
01:40:59,07 --> 01:41:01,87
committee didn't want to make that call
and they wanted the neighbors involved

1193
01:41:02,25 --> 01:41:07,51
because it's crushed stone leads trail
there it's crushed stone currently current

1194
01:41:07,52 --> 01:41:14,06
and it turns after that. I think and
one of the question is if this is

1195
01:41:14,07 --> 01:41:21,03
a Pave surfaces somehow figure into
stormwater management and as well

1196
01:41:21,07 --> 01:41:25,71
perhaps oh. That proposed
ordinance example.

1197
01:41:28,56 --> 01:41:33,85
Say for the comic come anybody for the
concert AC No it's almost to the penny per

1198
01:41:33,86 --> 01:41:40,70
foot. This number whether. We're aware is

1199
01:41:40,71 --> 01:41:46,03
a stretch relative to the bridge so this
stretch includes the bridge is is where

1200
01:41:46,04 --> 01:41:50,14
this excludes the bridge and we'll go to
the limit billions right so this goes over

1201
01:41:50,15 --> 01:41:54,95
the bridge at us it goes over the bridge
that's already been funded to be taken

1202
01:41:54,96 --> 01:42:00,93
care of the arts here OK and the other
comment on this one and then get what you

1203
01:42:00,94 --> 01:42:06,36
know there was no transportation grant
money in this there was not No So these

1204
01:42:06,37 --> 01:42:10,49
funds will only be if the Federal land and
water to ration fund Grant is received

1205
01:42:11,17 --> 01:42:15,34
and that will be the local match there and
also the money to fund the additional

1206
01:42:15,35 --> 01:42:18,76
portion of trail that isn't covered by the
grant and if the grant isn't received

1207
01:42:18,77 --> 01:42:20,37
them this will be returned to the C.P.A.

1208
01:42:21,12 --> 01:42:26,60
And still no movement in Williamsburg yet
they have they have agreed with me and

1209
01:42:26,61 --> 01:42:27,37
they they've made

1210
01:42:27,38 --> 01:42:31,85
a lot of progress over the last few years
and they were working closely with them

1211
01:42:31,97 --> 01:42:34,08
with them and they have
a lot of support in

1212
01:42:34,09 --> 01:42:39,30
a community you know something in this you
take into consideration what are park

1213
01:42:39,30 --> 01:42:41,100
and ride facility and things
such as that is all this part of

1214
01:42:42,01 --> 01:42:48,01
a I mean it's part of the larger green way
rail trail vision but it's not specific

1215
01:42:48,01 --> 01:42:54,49
. Should just be clear this is

1216
01:42:54,50 --> 01:43:00,27
a quarter million dollars
invested to that. If the dead end

1217
01:43:00,32 --> 01:43:05,17
a real good ending it we are hoping to
connect to the roads in one book but

1218
01:43:05,18 --> 01:43:10,47
currently there are those right away
disputes on the Williamsburg side.

1219
01:43:12,50 --> 01:43:19,24
As I recall anyway and so essentially
settle. People Northampton will not be

1220
01:43:19,25 --> 01:43:23,92
invited to bike beyond that point I don't
believe those are in the process of it's

1221
01:43:23,93 --> 01:43:24,77
in the Goetia Asians

1222
01:43:24,78 --> 01:43:31,35
a million but it's been negotiations for
almost twenty years now so but I just I

1223
01:43:31,36 --> 01:43:35,72
just want to point out that.
Unlike a bridge to nowhere this is

1224
01:43:35,73 --> 01:43:41,27
a bike path that will end at that point
and more we're doing up to the terminus.

1225
01:43:44,09 --> 01:43:50,81
Aren't the right of it is in Williamsburg
beyond the point where this is going to

1226
01:43:50,82 --> 01:43:55,26
enter Williamsburg I believe that I think
there are further up the line so there

1227
01:43:55,27 --> 01:43:59,20
are some issues with connecting further on
towards right but can't doesn't this get

1228
01:43:59,21 --> 01:44:05,18
you at least two if eleven or yeah
to there so you can leave the end of

1229
01:44:05,19 --> 01:44:11,88
a bike path and keep going because I think
it's the other side of Route nine. That

1230
01:44:12,24 --> 01:44:16,66
they're having all the right away probably
not this will get you at least some

1231
01:44:16,70 --> 01:44:21,18
public way in Williamsburg they won't get
two hundred nine OK that far but it gets

1232
01:44:21,19 --> 01:44:26,15
you to Fairfield that in this and that you
can hundred feet right then you could

1233
01:44:26,16 --> 01:44:30,14
double back and switch back and get on
Route nine that way but as opposed to

1234
01:44:30,15 --> 01:44:33,04
getting on Route nine where that
would naturally access with

1235
01:44:33,05 --> 01:44:39,31
a rail trail where the rail line actually
went all the way through it and. If the

1236
01:44:39,35 --> 01:44:41,76
properties were not disputed
but it doesn't leave you with

1237
01:44:41,77 --> 01:44:47,81
a stone wall you know you don't know you
can turn it over it grows more at home

1238
01:44:47,82 --> 01:44:52,42
with your sound bite and I only at my only
point being perhaps I'm being too cute

1239
01:44:52,53 --> 01:44:53,51
but when we've had

1240
01:44:53,52 --> 01:45:00,11
a lot of disputed. Purchases and
acquisitions along the lines of. That

1241
01:45:00,55 --> 01:45:04,98
have been less clear with more and more
solid Jakob's we've had resistance in this

1242
01:45:04,99 --> 01:45:10,07
case we are not and I actually agree with
the principle I think it's right I think

1243
01:45:10,08 --> 01:45:12,30
it's just I think a real trails is

1244
01:45:12,31 --> 01:45:15,91
a very appropriate network and system to
have for the city and I think it's an

1245
01:45:15,92 --> 01:45:20,82
asset and to that end I would have I wouldn't
dispute this but I just like you know

1246
01:45:20,83 --> 01:45:24,73
to compare it to other Project Greenlight
for instance or something along that line

1247
01:45:24,74 --> 01:45:29,14
which is also it was wholly appropriate
and that I was very much for and still am

1248
01:45:30,25 --> 01:45:33,69
that. There seems to be is

1249
01:45:33,70 --> 01:45:38,56
a pick and choose resistance and I'm not
sure what the what the criteria are. Also

1250
01:45:38,57 --> 01:45:43,80
expect it's my clarifying. Concer do
I talked about this just dead ending

1251
01:45:43,81 --> 01:45:48,72
a property that's that's privately owned
does it or their properties that it would

1252
01:45:48,73 --> 01:45:49,99
go through whether there is

1253
01:45:50,00 --> 01:45:53,41
a dispute about this properties
or not or does it end at

1254
01:45:53,42 --> 01:45:55,10
a street itself it's just not at

1255
01:45:55,11 --> 01:45:57,64
a street OK so that's very
different I just know as

1256
01:45:57,68 --> 01:46:02,02
a somebody who likes the trails and this
happens all over where you're the trail

1257
01:46:02,03 --> 01:46:03,17
and somewhere in that you're on

1258
01:46:03,18 --> 01:46:06,79
a street which I just didn't want have
the impression of and and you had

1259
01:46:06,80 --> 01:46:11,02
a property owner's house and all you can
then do is turn around. And that's it

1260
01:46:11,03 --> 01:46:15,75
that's very honest when you can actually
turn before it on Fairfield and get down

1261
01:46:16,15 --> 01:46:21,54
but it does it would exceed the Northampton
line actually. Thirty feet there is

1262
01:46:21,55 --> 01:46:26,35
basically a stop right there not to nothing
so in your way of event but there is

1263
01:46:26,36 --> 01:46:32,74
a street right there there it. Was about
one hundred feet I think beyond Fairfield

1264
01:46:32,75 --> 01:46:37,66
Avenue OK You know I think I know about
that ferry right. Closer to me Daniel's

1265
01:46:37,67 --> 01:46:44,46
where you and I stole the land swap.
So if we're done with this one all in

1266
01:46:44,51 --> 01:46:51,12
favor of a positive recommendation
I would get both OK. Now in

1267
01:46:51,13 --> 01:46:54,85
a strange sense of deja vu on the
recommendation of the Community Preservation

1268
01:46:54,86 --> 01:46:58,92
Committee order that whereas home city
housing submitted an application for

1269
01:46:58,93 --> 01:47:03,55
Community Preservation Act funding for the
rehabilitation of twenty two twenty four

1270
01:47:03,93 --> 01:47:07,27
New South Street and where is the project
ensures that one thousand units of

1271
01:47:07,28 --> 01:47:11,68
affordably restricted housing downtown
that is from Ronnie's with the surrounding

1272
01:47:11,69 --> 01:47:14,43
community will continue
to be available whereas

1273
01:47:14,44 --> 01:47:18,29
a project will result in the restoration
of an important structure and the downtown

1274
01:47:18,30 --> 01:47:23,70
National Historic Register and whereas
on November twentieth two thousand and

1275
01:47:23,71 --> 01:47:27,52
thirteen the Northampton Community
Preservation Committee voted unanimously to

1276
01:47:27,53 --> 01:47:32,25
McMahon the two hundred fifty thousand
dollars in Community Preservation Act funds

1277
01:47:32,26 --> 01:47:36,32
to be used to support this project now
therefore he ordered two hundred fifty

1278
01:47:36,33 --> 01:47:40,67
thousand be appropriated for from the
community present act Preservation Act funds

1279
01:47:40,93 --> 01:47:45,53
to the twenty to thirty four new South
Street Apartment restoration project and

1280
01:47:45,54 --> 01:47:48,59
that the grantee meets the conditions
approved by the Community Preservation

1281
01:47:48,60 --> 01:47:52,35
Committee the mayor and the Council
specifically that one hundred sixty one

1282
01:47:52,36 --> 01:47:56,04
thousand one hundred twenty six dollars
is appropriated from the C.P.A.

1283
01:47:56,05 --> 01:48:00,30
Historic preservation reserve account the
twenty six thousand three hundred seventy

1284
01:48:00,31 --> 01:48:03,53
four dollars is from the C.P.A.

1285
01:48:03,54 --> 01:48:07,65
Budgeted reserve and sixty two thousand
five hundred dollars as from the affordable

1286
01:48:07,78 --> 01:48:14,35
housing reserve account and
psycho comments questions.

1287
01:48:15,64 --> 01:48:22,27
A council of March. I
support this I think just

1288
01:48:22,28 --> 01:48:27,42
hearing from insult child services some
veterans affairs from house in partnership

1289
01:48:28,26 --> 01:48:35,22
of the necessity keeping affordable
housing here in the city. I

1290
01:48:35,33 --> 01:48:42,15
can recall way back when we went in
RI did that section over before and I

1291
01:48:42,16 --> 01:48:48,64
think consular you were involved with
the consulate is with us. This is

1292
01:48:48,65 --> 01:48:54,82
a project that we really need to look
at we really need to support the and

1293
01:48:55,64 --> 01:48:56,55
there is

1294
01:48:56,89 --> 01:49:03,71
a significant. Character that the house
like that's very valuable for the city of

1295
01:49:03,72 --> 01:49:10,06
Northampton. I'm going to support this
because of the affordability and we need

1296
01:49:10,07 --> 01:49:16,75
this and it needs to be cake and
care. For Tracy I'd have to

1297
01:49:17,24 --> 01:49:23,12
ask them the merit always recognized. The
hundred sixty five thousand two hundred

1298
01:49:23,13 --> 01:49:28,14
thirty thousand dollars that was in the
settlement agreement wasn't that for one of

1299
01:49:28,15 --> 01:49:34,54
Asian It was a for a combination of
renovation for the hotel. I made

1300
01:49:34,54 --> 01:49:41,43
a run of nation and. Formally and
it was my get my question is

1301
01:49:41,76 --> 01:49:48,25
it seems to me that this place gets rehab
quite often. Really the research that I I

1302
01:49:48,26 --> 01:49:53,89
can't quote that off the top of my head
there was some funding that was part of

1303
01:49:53,90 --> 01:49:59,51
that agreement as well as I believe I
believe there were some more recent.

1304
01:50:00,86 --> 01:50:05,64
Than I don't call them negotiations but
some settlement around and was transferred

1305
01:50:06,35 --> 01:50:10,39
to the current owner that set resolve
some of those issues and also expand

1306
01:50:10,43 --> 01:50:17,13
experience of the research and so. I
don't really I can't I'd have to do some

1307
01:50:17,14 --> 01:50:21,24
research on that for you counselor that
predated my ministrations so I'd have to

1308
01:50:21,25 --> 01:50:26,35
look into that so I just kind of curious
as to how many times that we will put

1309
01:50:26,36 --> 01:50:31,58
money into this this building and how much
is going to so far I mean it just seems

1310
01:50:31,59 --> 01:50:33,06
like the hotel was just

1311
01:50:33,07 --> 01:50:40,05
a few years ago. And. I mean I
think I've seen it renovated

1312
01:50:40,22 --> 01:50:43,85
three times I did it once myself in

1313
01:50:43,86 --> 01:50:46,87
a bit I'm just kind of curious as to why
that needs to be renovated again and what

1314
01:50:46,95 --> 01:50:53,79
what the what the issues are. Those
are what. The the unique feature of

1315
01:50:53,80 --> 01:50:58,28
this particular property is that it is
the only system for affordable housing

1316
01:50:58,29 --> 01:51:02,95
currently in the downtown area of
Northampton North Hampton is different from

1317
01:51:02,96 --> 01:51:09,34
a lot of other communities
where. The. People.

1318
01:51:10,37 --> 01:51:16,40
With needs. Do not live in the downtown
core that they're in and with him it's kind

1319
01:51:16,41 --> 01:51:20,41
of strange that more or less relegated to
projects that were developed in the post

1320
01:51:20,42 --> 01:51:27,20
war to the periphery off bus lines in
some cases and have no access this is

1321
01:51:27,30 --> 01:51:33,90
this in the form wasn't complex it actually
is is is critical. And as the case with

1322
01:51:33,91 --> 01:51:38,17
all I was in projects that provide the
housing for Section eight vouchers among

1323
01:51:38,18 --> 01:51:44,29
others. I think it's in and also
given the fact of the city's

1324
01:51:44,86 --> 01:51:50,76
preference to. Keep the downtown
area from appearing blighted.

1325
01:51:52,07 --> 01:51:57,04
That we that any commitment that we have
to maintain systems and services in that

1326
01:51:57,05 --> 01:52:01,50
in that state that that. The community
considers appropriate and certainly the

1327
01:52:01,51 --> 01:52:06,58
people of their consider appropriate and
amenable I think it's all to the good.

1328
01:52:07,81 --> 01:52:09,85
That goes with Specter Yeah just

1329
01:52:09,86 --> 01:52:15,32
a little quick math and and council you
know doing kind of work you do that can be

1330
01:52:15,33 --> 01:52:19,30
very costly in these eighteen units if you
provide that two hundred fifty thousand

1331
01:52:19,31 --> 01:52:23,05
dollars up we're talking about thirteen
thousand nine hundred dollars per unit

1332
01:52:23,44 --> 01:52:28,14
which doesn't go very far in terms of
renovations so you know you're talking

1333
01:52:28,53 --> 01:52:32,47
thirteen thousand dollars for you know
I'm not sure what work is but it doesn't

1334
01:52:32,48 --> 01:52:33,85
seem like it doesn't seem like

1335
01:52:33,86 --> 01:52:37,96
a huge amount of money and
the hotel. Piece was quite

1336
01:52:37,97 --> 01:52:41,60
a few years ago so you know two hundred
fifty thousand dollars more to about one

1337
01:52:41,61 --> 01:52:45,84
thousand units and this is a rather
large structure you know it is not

1338
01:52:45,85 --> 01:52:48,96
a great amount of money to do renovations
and they're going to come up all that you

1339
01:52:48,97 --> 01:52:55,33
know perhaps every few years. Else or else
I support this project completely but.

1340
01:52:56,51 --> 01:53:01,52
This Order's outstandingly vague. I mean
it really is just give you some detail if

1341
01:53:01,53 --> 01:53:04,91
you could please relay that to the drafters
I mean this just tells us very little

1342
01:53:04,95 --> 01:53:09,25
and the there is a little more
detail in the end they are C.B.C.

1343
01:53:09,26 --> 01:53:15,83
Chairs the chair of the C B C's definition
explanation on the memorandum but

1344
01:53:16,22 --> 01:53:23,03
this tells us very little in relation to.
This order. Those are the ones I agree

1345
01:53:23,04 --> 01:53:26,32
with that I mean actually in the narrative
that says this project includes finding

1346
01:53:26,33 --> 01:53:30,66
some replacement painting and all the work
needed to secure the building on board.

1347
01:53:32,07 --> 01:53:38,42
And I think I think at least for purposes
for our deliberations. You know more

1348
01:53:38,43 --> 01:53:44,87
detail explaining will think we necessarily.
Think we need no scope of work and

1349
01:53:44,88 --> 01:53:45,02
with

1350
01:53:45,96 --> 01:53:51,97
a counselor Freeman in I believe I
echo that. I really do appreciate the.

1351
01:53:53,33 --> 01:53:59,79
Memo from the chair but I think
that teacher C P A grants

1352
01:54:00,46 --> 01:54:07,42
should include the. The list of
conditions that the that the C.P.C.

1353
01:54:07,42 --> 01:54:14,11
. Places on the grantees with
the order that the Council sees

1354
01:54:14,47 --> 01:54:19,29
the council accept those conditions I don't
think can amend them but at least the

1355
01:54:19,30 --> 01:54:24,25
council can see should and could see them
I think with every single order that the

1356
01:54:24,26 --> 01:54:25,16
C.P.C.

1357
01:54:25,93 --> 01:54:32,88
Asks us to approve Thank you. I will
support it because it just it is

1358
01:54:33,34 --> 01:54:37,57
too vague there is nothing that I don't
like it about future ones I look at this

1359
01:54:37,58 --> 01:54:43,15
one right here and I'm not any way to vote
any way you want but I I won't support

1360
01:54:43,16 --> 01:54:44,12
it until I know

1361
01:54:44,70 --> 01:54:50,43
a little more about where the money is
going to what it's going to do. So I could

1362
01:54:50,44 --> 01:54:55,69
use any other if I could just echo I can
with cancer from Dana's about if if these

1363
01:54:55,70 --> 01:54:59,76
orders could stay to conditions I
think don't be even more helpful for

1364
01:54:59,77 --> 01:55:06,23
clarification Thank you. But may I just
just a comment that. We just passed

1365
01:55:06,24 --> 01:55:13,01
a real trail one with. The same paucity
of of information without any discussion

1366
01:55:13,46 --> 01:55:19,84
thread then on the other ones for now. I'm
concerned that. They don't quite meet

1367
01:55:19,85 --> 01:55:26,81
the the quality I agree I absolutely
agree with. Counsel Freeman

1368
01:55:26,82 --> 01:55:31,89
doing his proposal I think I'd be very
helpful but I also don't get. The absence of

1369
01:55:31,90 --> 01:55:33,75
information in this case actually warrants

1370
01:55:33,76 --> 01:55:40,05
a no vote but maybe because that
same absence exists for the no water

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01:55:41,04 --> 01:55:47,89
tension so if that's the case then all
these should receive no because the

1372
01:55:47,93 --> 01:55:53,68
that applies to every single one of these
appeals and these appropriations but. I'm

1373
01:55:53,69 --> 01:55:58,74
going to give every want to yes. Because
I believe that I know that this is been

1374
01:55:58,75 --> 01:56:03,38
thoroughly vetted and I and I would personally
like to see more reflection of what

1375
01:56:03,39 --> 01:56:10,29
that looks like but at the same time
I know it's the it's that disparity

1376
01:56:10,30 --> 01:56:16,15
that concerns are based. On the real trial
I know exactly what we all know exactly

1377
01:56:16,16 --> 01:56:18,83
what was there that we're going to cut
some trees which will gravel and and are

1378
01:56:18,84 --> 01:56:19,86
going to do with Types of

1379
01:56:19,87 --> 01:56:25,96
a paved surface period we know that you
don't know anything about this you don't

1380
01:56:25,97 --> 01:56:30,69
know what's going to. That so you're not
even comparing apples to apples and I

1381
01:56:31,30 --> 01:56:37,64
think it's going to news. And I agree and
disagree with counsel I mean I agree that

1382
01:56:38,41 --> 01:56:40,48
I think we both agree that the C.P.C.

1383
01:56:41,15 --> 01:56:44,85
Takes his job very seriously. It is

1384
01:56:45,43 --> 01:56:50,77
a good body for oversight it typically
lays down significant conditions.

1385
01:56:53,20 --> 01:56:57,68
Sure there's always that there's
always a. Mistake or you know

1386
01:56:57,69 --> 01:57:02,09
a project that's funded that the community
sometimes members of the community

1387
01:57:02,10 --> 01:57:07,46
always agree with but I think that the in
general they come up with good projects

1388
01:57:07,50 --> 01:57:13,43
and the generally please to support them
so I don't think the process is is poor

1389
01:57:13,44 --> 01:57:19,75
but I do think that the council would be
better would be very well informed too to

1390
01:57:19,76 --> 01:57:25,54
see more detail especially the conditions
and the that are put on the grantees and

1391
01:57:25,65 --> 01:57:32,03
and I actually was able to go into the
website today and and look at the at the

1392
01:57:32,76 --> 01:57:37,09
at some of the some of the questions and
answers and so on and so forth and there

1393
01:57:37,10 --> 01:57:38,12
is it's actually

1394
01:57:38,13 --> 01:57:44,87
a of wealth of information so it's not
it's not like it's unavailable but it also

1395
01:57:44,88 --> 01:57:50,14
is. Following following trying to get
information minister government is very

1396
01:57:50,15 --> 01:57:53,72
difficult so I think it would be very
valuable to actually just put it instead of

1397
01:57:54,18 --> 01:57:54,42
having

1398
01:57:54,43 --> 01:57:58,69
a link to the website actually just put it
in the order you don't know exactly what

1399
01:57:58,70 --> 01:58:03,30
it was going to say so those are going
to do you want to. Know I don't have any

1400
01:58:03,31 --> 01:58:10,26
comment on this so I intend to support this.
And. I don't feel like I need to have

1401
01:58:10,31 --> 01:58:16,66
the details of what will be in each of
these eighteen units that are single

1402
01:58:17,14 --> 01:58:20,90
single occupancy and we know
that that doesn't make up

1403
01:58:20,91 --> 01:58:25,17
a I'm prepared to support the statement
based on the recommendation from the C.D.C.

1404
01:58:25,17 --> 01:58:30,15
. You know. It's one it I just want us.

1405
01:58:33,67 --> 01:58:40,47
More information for three years. Since
it exists just literally about packaging

1406
01:58:40,57 --> 01:58:46,76
and and I do think that the project
is tremendously valuable to us as

1407
01:58:46,77 --> 01:58:51,90
a community in support of affordable
housing and wanting to have it be in the

1408
01:58:51,91 --> 01:58:56,45
condition that we all think it should be
and so I think it's an excellent sort of

1409
01:58:56,46 --> 01:59:00,49
use of C.P. Funds. It was

1410
01:59:00,50 --> 01:59:04,21
a valley did when when this we were
there when this was presented at C.B.C.

1411
01:59:04,62 --> 01:59:07,30
I was and they never at any point and then

1412
01:59:07,31 --> 01:59:13,70
a fight exactly how much money has been put
into this building. They gave they did

1413
01:59:13,71 --> 01:59:17,90
give an overview and they outlined some of
the issues that they've had in the past

1414
01:59:18,57 --> 01:59:21,92
there renovations that were done I think
it ten years ago included resetting the

1415
01:59:21,93 --> 01:59:23,43
building on its foundation which was

1416
01:59:23,44 --> 01:59:28,78
a really significant unanticipated expense
and the that projects initially to post

1417
01:59:28,79 --> 01:59:34,53
include all of this work but that I'm
patient is what funds as you know

1418
01:59:34,78 --> 01:59:37,99
historically that's one one I have

1419
01:59:38,00 --> 01:59:40,22
a very good historical
perspective on this because

1420
01:59:40,61 --> 01:59:45,23
a clear Higgins and I were on the housing
partnership like twenty years ago before

1421
01:59:45,24 --> 01:59:51,51
she was even elected to anything and John
Donne submitted the voodoo development

1422
01:59:51,52 --> 01:59:53,47
plan for this place I mean it is

1423
01:59:53,48 --> 01:59:59,21
a nasty all wood frame building and is the
second black hole to be on our agenda

1424
01:59:59,22 --> 02:00:05,21
tonight you know that the vagueness doesn't
matter because this is probably the

1425
02:00:05,22 --> 02:00:10,70
most high maintenance building with the
housing and. It doesn't matter that it's

1426
02:00:10,71 --> 02:00:13,94
fake because about every ten years you
have to pour two hundred fifty thousand

1427
02:00:13,95 --> 02:00:18,18
dollars into this place yes it was falling
off its foundation it was twenty years

1428
02:00:18,19 --> 02:00:24,04
ago. It's always going to need this kind
of injection of funding until it either

1429
02:00:24,05 --> 02:00:26,11
falls over or burns down I mean it's

1430
02:00:26,12 --> 02:00:31,22
a really high I mean and stuff building
to do this kind of housing and so yeah I

1431
02:00:31,23 --> 02:00:32,54
worry it's

1432
02:00:32,55 --> 02:00:37,54
a little bit vague but it really doesn't
matter because this this structure. The

1433
02:00:37,55 --> 02:00:39,78
way it's constructed is
just going to always be

1434
02:00:39,79 --> 02:00:45,12
a money pit. Forever so it's

1435
02:00:45,13 --> 02:00:49,68
a tough thing. So if it's historical
building if it's off its foundation you

1436
02:00:49,69 --> 02:00:53,41
actually have to think of historical
building and historical foundation so that's

1437
02:00:53,42 --> 02:00:56,75
you know that's an assistant Oracle all
the way down to the ground and these are

1438
02:00:56,76 --> 02:01:01,91
the people that did sue us. You know for
some of this money so some of what we give

1439
02:01:01,92 --> 02:01:07,58
to him and some of them they sue is for.
The flow shall never see us counselor

1440
02:01:07,59 --> 02:01:11,25
Adams he'll be around longer than I will
but sometime the next twenty years in city

1441
02:01:11,26 --> 02:01:14,59
government you're going to be given him
another two hundred fifty thousand dollars

1442
02:01:14,89 --> 02:01:19,05
is this think this tough old wood frame
building that's going to suck money forever

1443
02:01:19,05 --> 02:01:25,55
. Just so that it said in charge. And just

1444
02:01:25,76 --> 02:01:30,17
regarding Then the vagueness of the orders
these are based upon the committees if

1445
02:01:30,30 --> 02:01:34,86
you know that the applications which were
in most cases are really very extensive

1446
02:01:34,87 --> 02:01:39,04
and those are all available online and and
reference through these orders but if

1447
02:01:39,05 --> 02:01:42,65
there's an if you have any concerns I'd be
happy to take this back and revise it if

1448
02:01:42,66 --> 02:01:48,94
you wanted to table your boat today.
Any other of those concepts and really

1449
02:01:48,95 --> 02:01:51,69
familiar with the building falling down
you climbing here to get from one of the

1450
02:01:51,70 --> 02:01:58,59
kitchen to the other for years the kitchens
the floors were so bad. Very sold to

1451
02:01:59,06 --> 02:02:04,52
wireless oil jacked up one end of it and
then I wanted to know when the M H I C and

1452
02:02:04,53 --> 02:02:07,43
several their agencies since then they've
all thrown money into it including the

1453
02:02:07,44 --> 02:02:13,62
city of Northampton over the years so but
it would have been helpful to said maybe

1454
02:02:13,63 --> 02:02:17,11
we're going to do bathrooms or something
was wrong with the place inside or

1455
02:02:17,12 --> 02:02:20,71
something would've been helpful this is
only for exterior work so just Mr This is

1456
02:02:20,72 --> 02:02:23,89
only to do the things that are listed and
I was weak and that was what your menu

1457
02:02:23,93 --> 02:02:29,52
from the summit was to I thought it was
for Ruth citing That's all right. I'll

1458
02:02:29,53 --> 02:02:34,86
support it but I would like to see more
detail in the future. On these requests

1459
02:02:37,48 --> 02:02:43,41
or any other discussion on this one. Then
all in favor I. And I'm going to say nay

1460
02:02:43,45 --> 02:02:47,25
because I didn't support it twenty years
ago and it still does said so in the

1461
02:02:47,26 --> 02:02:51,28
interest of continuity also no. Right.

1462
02:02:55,35 --> 02:02:58,75
On the recommendation of the Community
Preservation Committee order that whereas

1463
02:02:58,98 --> 02:03:01,99
the Northampton Board of Public Works
submitted an application for community

1464
02:03:02,00 --> 02:03:07,96
present act Preservation Act funding. For
fun for the perpetration of design plans

1465
02:03:07,97 --> 02:03:12,94
and construction documents for the renovation
of Alaska park whereas plasty Park is

1466
02:03:12,95 --> 02:03:17,27
an important downtown resource and the
project will build upon existing work and

1467
02:03:17,28 --> 02:03:22,29
public process to rehabilitate the park
as well as inclusion of additional public

1468
02:03:22,30 --> 02:03:25,96
input and where is the project meets the
goals of the Sustainable North Hampton

1469
02:03:25,97 --> 02:03:30,41
plan and the open space recreation of
multiuse plans and whereas on November

1470
02:03:30,42 --> 02:03:34,23
twentieth two thousand and thirteen the
Northampton Community Preservation

1471
02:03:34,24 --> 02:03:38,88
Committee voted six to two to recommend
that one hundred ninety four thousand five

1472
02:03:38,89 --> 02:03:40,14
hundred dollars in C.P.A.

1473
02:03:40,15 --> 02:03:44,54
Funds be used to support this project
another Ford be ordered that one hundred

1474
02:03:44,55 --> 02:03:47,77
ninety four thousand five hundred dollars
be appropriated from the Community

1475
02:03:47,78 --> 02:03:52,54
Preservation Act funding to the plasti park
renovation project and that the grantee

1476
02:03:52,55 --> 02:03:55,86
meets the conditions approved by the Community
Preservation Committee the mayor and

1477
02:03:55,87 --> 02:03:59,46
the City Council specifically that one
hundred ninety four thousand five hundred

1478
02:03:59,47 --> 02:04:01,61
dollars is appropriated from the C.P.A.

1479
02:04:01,62 --> 02:04:04,15
Budgeted reserve motion for

1480
02:04:04,16 --> 02:04:09,54
a second discussion on
this White House or days.

1481
02:04:13,23 --> 02:04:18,01
I'd like to table listen to we find out
what we're going to do with the lot of the

1482
02:04:18,03 --> 02:04:22,39
high blood. Cells because I don't have

1483
02:04:22,40 --> 02:04:26,53
a clue as to what this is going to turn out
to be and I don't think anybody in this

1484
02:04:26,54 --> 02:04:27,25
council would have

1485
02:04:27,26 --> 02:04:32,37
a magic ball here and the hundred ninety
four thousand five hundred dollars is

1486
02:04:32,39 --> 02:04:34,58
a lot of money for design work I think on

1487
02:04:34,76 --> 02:04:41,50
a park that is really stashed in
hard in the park to orange. I know

1488
02:04:41,51 --> 02:04:46,90
that might not be apples to apples
but it just seems like. We have.

1489
02:04:48,47 --> 02:04:53,47
We have distinction we have specifics.
In Florence and here you don't even know

1490
02:04:53,64 --> 02:04:55,09
what happened in this park we haven't got

1491
02:04:55,10 --> 02:05:00,48
a clue what you're doing will continue
to table time as much as if it happened

1492
02:05:00,49 --> 02:05:01,80
until we figure out we're going to do with

1493
02:05:01,81 --> 02:05:05,54
a lot so is that to be
hype and yes there is

1494
02:05:05,55 --> 02:05:12,45
a second for that on. The other

1495
02:05:13,12 --> 02:05:18,17
as it were in finance so yes do you want
as many other questions comments yes I

1496
02:05:18,93 --> 02:05:24,74
have had. I would like to ask Sarah
because I did call they can bring cards.

1497
02:05:25,82 --> 02:05:30,63
Of voting on the commission it was six to
two what with the reason why I forgot the

1498
02:05:30,63 --> 02:05:36,34
. Shark and just one point of clarification
to the mayor was also happens in this

1499
02:05:36,35 --> 02:05:43,14
project to border on the first.
Primary holder so I. Could.

1500
02:05:44,21 --> 02:05:49,07
Put regarding the vote down to remember
every single member agreed that this

1501
02:05:49,08 --> 02:05:52,95
project is extremely important and wanted
to get them all rolling on renovations to

1502
02:05:52,96 --> 02:05:57,01
this incredibly important piece of the
downtown However the vote wasn't unanimous

1503
02:05:57,02 --> 02:05:59,64
because some of the committee members thought
it would have been more in procreate

1504
02:05:59,65 --> 02:06:05,22
to separate the design and public employee
and operation of construction documents

1505
02:06:05,23 --> 02:06:08,57
into two separate projects so that that
was the disparity it was in that they

1506
02:06:08,58 --> 02:06:14,39
didn't support the renovation or didn't
want this to us that. If the mayor who is

1507
02:06:14,40 --> 02:06:18,66
recognized by could ask the mayor questions
short it just like to get your input on

1508
02:06:18,67 --> 02:06:24,61
the statement which does make some sense
to me this came up but extensively I peer

1509
02:06:24,62 --> 02:06:30,99
before the C.P.A. Committee in support of
this project and in fact we we received

1510
02:06:31,05 --> 02:06:34,67
a letter which I don't think you would
have gotten unless you had got the

1511
02:06:34,68 --> 02:06:41,45
application the full application but
Tim love from you Teal has been

1512
02:06:41,58 --> 02:06:46,46
who's our consultant that's working on the
Roundhouse Law Project has been. Clear

1513
02:06:46,47 --> 02:06:50,70
that he believes strongly that this that
first of all the initial design work has

1514
02:06:50,71 --> 02:06:54,99
already begun on Plaskett park is excellent
and he has encouraged the city to

1515
02:06:55,00 --> 02:06:57,77
continue moving forward with
that and he actually submitted

1516
02:06:57,78 --> 02:07:04,13
a letter to me. Echoing that in terms
of this particular application

1517
02:07:05,02 --> 02:07:09,65
I think one of the criticisms of the of
or some of the criticism that came out

1518
02:07:10,29 --> 02:07:16,99
during the. During You know earlier
round house redevelopment the earlier

1519
02:07:17,00 --> 02:07:21,89
project was that the development was going
to drive what was happening in the park

1520
02:07:22,22 --> 02:07:24,58
and we really started from

1521
02:07:24,59 --> 02:07:28,71
a perspective in Mr Love who's the
urban designer really started from

1522
02:07:28,72 --> 02:07:33,82
a perspective that the park should drive
the development not vice versa so he

1523
02:07:33,83 --> 02:07:38,93
doesn't believe that the city should stop
this process he reviewed the Stimson

1524
02:07:38,94 --> 02:07:42,31
drawings actually incorporated them into
his presentation when he did the public

1525
02:07:42,32 --> 02:07:48,11
presentation so he was very supportive of
that thank you I can also speak to the if

1526
02:07:48,12 --> 02:07:51,75
I could to the question Counselor Tacey
raise because this came up to about the

1527
02:07:51,76 --> 02:07:58,65
price tag of this particular park
this is an urban park it's and

1528
02:07:58,69 --> 02:08:00,00
interestingly there's actually

1529
02:08:00,01 --> 02:08:05,39
a. Significant urban park restoration program
going on throughout the commonwealth

1530
02:08:05,57 --> 02:08:12,11
primarily focused on gateway communities
but I can tell you that Veterans Park in

1531
02:08:12,12 --> 02:08:18,80
Holyoke was just renovated very similar
sized park acreage wise same sort of thing

1532
02:08:18,81 --> 02:08:25,15
sidewalks monuments grass one point
four million dollars was the price tag

1533
02:08:25,62 --> 02:08:31,42
Fitchburg just did their gate the park and
it was one point five million dollars So

1534
02:08:31,43 --> 02:08:37,92
these are estimates that are in line with
these kinds of parks. That we're seeing

1535
02:08:37,93 --> 02:08:42,95
around the commonwealth and again we not
only have the earlier Nancy Denecke study

1536
02:08:43,69 --> 02:08:48,27
I was actually on that as Ward four count.
So I was on that original the first

1537
02:08:48,28 --> 02:08:53,06
Poleski park redesign Committee has worn
for Councillor where we work with Nancy

1538
02:08:53,13 --> 02:08:55,36
then again she produced

1539
02:08:55,37 --> 02:09:01,03
a great design then the design process was
reopened and it was basically open to

1540
02:09:01,04 --> 02:09:02,36
the public any it was sort of

1541
02:09:02,37 --> 02:09:07,68
a free open design competition that both
citizens and professionals could submit

1542
02:09:07,69 --> 02:09:12,30
designs to and it's taken several years
and now we've gotten to this stage where

1543
02:09:12,52 --> 02:09:19,02
the B P W advanced this Stimpson concept
and I can also say that Mr Love strongly

1544
02:09:19,03 --> 02:09:20,85
endorsed Simpson as

1545
02:09:20,86 --> 02:09:26,03
a design firm who we know one of the top
design firms in the nation's Bay They

1546
02:09:26,04 --> 02:09:29,96
would be an excellent person to work with
and then the final point of course is we

1547
02:09:29,97 --> 02:09:33,18
came up with all those great designs but
we could never do anything with them

1548
02:09:33,19 --> 02:09:33,98
because the C.P.A.

1549
02:09:33,99 --> 02:09:37,98
Law present prevented us from from doing
what we're doing trying to do tonight

1550
02:09:38,18 --> 02:09:39,47
which is spend C.P.A.

1551
02:09:39,48 --> 02:09:44,99
Dollars on an existing park the original
law only let you spend it on new parts

1552
02:09:45,00 --> 02:09:49,67
building new parks and it's only when it
was amended in the last year or so that

1553
02:09:49,68 --> 02:09:53,68
we're now actually be able to come back
to you and say we can actually fix up

1554
02:09:53,69 --> 02:09:56,08
a park that already exists so I'm

1555
02:09:56,09 --> 02:10:00,16
a strong supporter of this and I'm happy
to answer any questions but I don't

1556
02:10:00,17 --> 02:10:04,76
believe waiting for the round
house process is very good here.

1557
02:10:07,83 --> 02:10:14,30
Thank you. I also. Appreciated the remarks

1558
02:10:14,98 --> 02:10:20,03
that we heard tonight about actually letting
the Park Drive whatever may happen in

1559
02:10:20,04 --> 02:10:24,37
that location rather than the reverse waiting
for the round house as we know that.

1560
02:10:25,99 --> 02:10:31,94
One is that six years ago when we had
the hotel proposal before us. There's

1561
02:10:31,95 --> 02:10:37,78
a significant public outcry around that
and I think that we need to especially

1562
02:10:37,82 --> 02:10:43,35
around the impact on the park so the fact
that we're placing park at the foreground

1563
02:10:43,41 --> 02:10:47,25
here and really placing the emphasis in
that development before looking at the

1564
02:10:47,26 --> 02:10:53,95
Round House does seem appropriate to me and
I do intend to support this tonight but

1565
02:10:53,95 --> 02:10:55,98
. I have

1566
02:10:55,99 --> 02:11:00,57
a few questions and I do believe this is
it had acquitted detailed or I don't think

1567
02:11:00,58 --> 02:11:07,56
that there are equally it's big but.
It's this far it's one project drive the

1568
02:11:07,57 --> 02:11:14,25
other. Someone in public on
purpose I. Would sleep with

1569
02:11:15,24 --> 02:11:19,31
what you have so. Having us together
rather than one project driving.

1570
02:11:23,31 --> 02:11:27,06
That isn't there that's it for you during
the worst of all there are two different

1571
02:11:28,06 --> 02:11:33,33
first of all the plastic park is Chapter
ninety seven Ark land its own control by

1572
02:11:33,34 --> 02:11:35,53
the D.P.W. The other parcel is

1573
02:11:35,54 --> 02:11:42,49
a city owned parcel. And again if you look
at the report's not quite out yet but

1574
02:11:42,77 --> 02:11:47,64
if you look at the if you look at the initial
work that was presented in the public

1575
02:11:47,65 --> 02:11:50,53
form around the round
house lot again there's

1576
02:11:50,54 --> 02:11:57,02
a real yes the two the two are
adjacent to each other but

1577
02:11:57,06 --> 02:12:00,38
there are. You know there's a still

1578
02:12:00,39 --> 02:12:04,61
a lot of uncertainty about what what
the actual economic viability of

1579
02:12:04,62 --> 02:12:08,36
a development in the roundhouse lot is I
think that's one of the things that came

1580
02:12:08,37 --> 02:12:14,29
through so far in the work and I don't think
that moving forward with this project

1581
02:12:14,43 --> 02:12:19,70
is going to really preclude the two projects
being coordinated in fact one of the

1582
02:12:19,77 --> 02:12:26,00
one of the issues that came up was that.
Some of the work that's in the park itself

1583
02:12:26,75 --> 02:12:31,59
could could be part of a future R.F.P.

1584
02:12:31,81 --> 02:12:35,10
This lot could could ask

1585
02:12:35,11 --> 02:12:40,61
a developer to help contribute to the
public benefit. That we're trying to create

1586
02:12:40,62 --> 02:12:45,66
in the park that could be one potential
thing so I think it would be helpful let me

1587
02:12:45,66 --> 02:12:48,82
. Well it because it's

1588
02:12:48,83 --> 02:12:53,11
a very brief letter but I do think it's
this again is from our pre-development

1589
02:12:53,12 --> 02:12:57,61
consultant thank you for providing an
opportunity for you to mass development to

1590
02:12:57,62 --> 02:13:02,02
present our analysis of potential development
scenarios for the round house lot we

1591
02:13:02,03 --> 02:13:07,00
found the audience receptive to our
methodology this is all just sort of opening

1592
02:13:06,74 --> 02:13:13,48
boilerplate boilerplate. The public
process for the round house lot made it

1593
02:13:13,49 --> 02:13:18,35
clear that there are only three possible
outcomes supported by the public building

1594
02:13:18,36 --> 02:13:19,48
residential development with

1595
02:13:19,49 --> 02:13:24,35
a park facing community space over two
levels structure parking no development

1596
02:13:24,39 --> 02:13:28,45
potential improvements to the stair between
the municipal law and the park and

1597
02:13:28,46 --> 02:13:29,03
three a park

1598
02:13:29,10 --> 02:13:33,15
a parking garage with the same characteristics
as option one above but with an

1599
02:13:33,16 --> 02:13:38,21
extension of open space above those are
sort of the three broad scenarios that came

1600
02:13:38,22 --> 02:13:45,16
out of that process. Since
option three cannot be financed

1601
02:13:45,17 --> 02:13:50,10
only options one of the ways forward and
in either case the current proposal for

1602
02:13:50,11 --> 02:13:55,39
the redesign of Plaskett Park is an ideal
compliment I'm also having the final park

1603
02:13:55,40 --> 02:13:59,31
design in place can positively affect
the future of the round house lot by

1604
02:13:59,32 --> 02:13:59,77
providing

1605
02:13:59,78 --> 02:14:06,08
a more robust and meaningful full context
for future designs in addition and

1606
02:14:06,09 --> 02:14:09,79
writing as an experienced urban designer
I think through the design prepared by

1607
02:14:09,80 --> 02:14:14,28
Scott Simpson and Associates is well
considered elegant and appropriately planned

1608
02:14:14,29 --> 02:14:18,77
for the projected uses of the space it
would be a shame to lose the momentum of

1609
02:14:18,78 --> 02:14:23,15
a long community focus process that has
resulted in what will surely be both an

1610
02:14:23,16 --> 02:14:24,73
award winning design and

1611
02:14:24,74 --> 02:14:29,40
a significant new addition to Northampton's
public realm while the unknown circling

1612
02:14:29,41 --> 02:14:31,66
the round house lot have
been considerably merit as

1613
02:14:31,67 --> 02:14:36,38
a result of our process I would recommend
that Scott's Stimpson associates and team

1614
02:14:36,39 --> 02:14:40,63
focus their design energies north of
the east west path the design team has

1615
02:14:40,64 --> 02:14:44,28
proposed on the south end of the park and
that this path will define the northern

1616
02:14:44,29 --> 02:14:44,99
limit so it's getting

1617
02:14:45,00 --> 02:14:50,79
a little into detail but essentially you
get the gist of that. Waiting to figure

1618
02:14:50,80 --> 02:14:56,36
out what's going to happen in the round
house lot. Yeah I'm comped I'm confident

1619
02:14:56,37 --> 02:15:00,73
that we should really be moving forward
particularly sense there's now grant monies

1620
02:15:00,74 --> 02:15:05,81
coming available for park renovations. I
was in East Hampton with the announcement

1621
02:15:05,82 --> 02:15:11,65
of the Nash want to pause and grant funds
and Secretary Sullivan announced that

1622
02:15:11,89 --> 02:15:16,50
they're going to be shifting from not just
doing urban park programs for gateway

1623
02:15:16,51 --> 02:15:22,42
cities but they're now going to be expanding
that to other cities. And I I made

1624
02:15:22,43 --> 02:15:25,11
sure I meant uttered the words
Plaskett park to him more than

1625
02:15:25,12 --> 02:15:29,89
a few times when that program gets rolled
out so I believe working on getting

1626
02:15:29,90 --> 02:15:36,22
a shovel ready designed to be able to access
those funds is important also and the

1627
02:15:36,23 --> 02:15:39,71
committee had some of these same chicken
and egg questions as they were reviewing

1628
02:15:39,72 --> 02:15:42,90
its application as well and how can we move
forward with the park if we don't know

1629
02:15:42,91 --> 02:15:45,46
what's happening with the round how should
we do the round house first you know how

1630
02:15:46,05 --> 02:15:50,61
how is this all playing out but in the end
agreed that there are elements of Klasky

1631
02:15:50,62 --> 02:15:54,38
part that the city needs to figure out now
we need to figure out what the community

1632
02:15:54,49 --> 02:15:55,26
wants and needs in

1633
02:15:55,27 --> 02:15:59,67
a park and get those elements designed
and Steven Simpson and his to.

1634
02:16:01,75 --> 02:16:06,30
Work with the Roundhouse developers and
create some options for that portion of the

1635
02:16:06,31 --> 02:16:09,40
park to to make it work
together I should have

1636
02:16:09,41 --> 02:16:16,34
a couple more questions but you have
some. For the mayor. The design costs.

1637
02:16:18,17 --> 02:16:22,51
And I support this order
but to me it seems like

1638
02:16:22,51 --> 02:16:27,68
a large amount just dollar wise and I looked
out of but what's the total project it

1639
02:16:27,69 --> 02:16:34,35
cost because. In the past for example
the police station typically in other

1640
02:16:34,36 --> 02:16:39,05
projects like the high school and I'm at
one point the facility I think the price

1641
02:16:39,05 --> 02:16:45,56
tag has risen I remember the former
mayor telling us that. Designs were

1642
02:16:45,57 --> 02:16:49,11
generally around ten percent of the total
project cost I'm not sure if this is the

1643
02:16:49,12 --> 02:16:53,03
same because those are for buildings and
this isn't but what's the cost of the

1644
02:16:53,28 --> 02:16:57,33
estimated cost of the final the total
project again we don't until be

1645
02:16:57,38 --> 02:16:58,50
a part of this is there was

1646
02:16:58,51 --> 02:17:03,62
a conceptual design done to get to the stage
we're at now and then what the Stimson

1647
02:17:03,63 --> 02:17:08,05
team is going to do is actually further
refine that and they're going to they're

1648
02:17:08,06 --> 02:17:08,68
going to do

1649
02:17:08,69 --> 02:17:13,86
a public process to really try to get
additional input to refine the design so part

1650
02:17:13,87 --> 02:17:17,40
of but you're right there
are it's often referred to

1651
02:17:17,41 --> 02:17:22,77
a soft cost or you know that those costs
that are associated as a percentage of

1652
02:17:22,78 --> 02:17:28,49
a building project and so part of what this
is funding is the continue the the the

1653
02:17:28,50 --> 02:17:33,58
finalization the completion of that sort
of visioning process to finalize the

1654
02:17:33,59 --> 02:17:38,12
design and then there's actually and
this was sort of the debate that Sarah

1655
02:17:38,13 --> 02:17:42,72
mentioned then the very next phase is
to go right into creating construction

1656
02:17:42,73 --> 02:17:48,95
drawings and actually you know leading
the construction effort at that point so

1657
02:17:49,01 --> 02:17:52,35
that's the sort of the two different price
components that you're seeing reflected

1658
02:17:52,36 --> 02:17:57,42
in this dollar amount which again I
realize it seems considerable but as

1659
02:17:57,43 --> 02:17:58,11
a percentage of

1660
02:17:58,12 --> 02:18:02,11
a project that's projected to be on the
order of one point four to one point five

1661
02:18:02,12 --> 02:18:06,91
million dollars It is in line with what
we've seen in other communities when we've

1662
02:18:06,92 --> 02:18:07,88
looked at these gave

1663
02:18:07,98 --> 02:18:14,83
a urban park projects. Final question I
think Miss value probably be able to

1664
02:18:14,84 --> 02:18:17,04
answer this council barge Yes

1665
02:18:17,05 --> 02:18:20,75
a good question it does this one
the vote was six to eight C.P.C.

1666
02:18:20,76 --> 02:18:26,47
In and. All the others were unanimous this
time around and I think quite catch why

1667
02:18:26,52 --> 02:18:31,06
they want the two that were in opposition
were only in opposition because if they

1668
02:18:31,07 --> 02:18:35,10
wanted to the process somehow separated
from the rest of the order they didn't want

1669
02:18:35,11 --> 02:18:39,19
to award the whole one hundred ninety four
thousand five hundred at this point they

1670
02:18:39,20 --> 02:18:42,53
wanted to separate it into two different
segments of the project but they

1671
02:18:42,54 --> 02:18:48,55
absolutely were in favor of developing
the designs and getting. Thank you also

1672
02:18:48,56 --> 02:18:54,45
Freeman thank you. I
have to disagree that.

1673
02:18:55,93 --> 02:19:01,80
We should proceed with the Poleski
park. Revelations before we have

1674
02:19:01,81 --> 02:19:08,79
a clear picture of the
round house parcel and. I

1675
02:19:09,34 --> 02:19:15,66
I think however I am in support of
allocating funds to redesigning Alaska park.

1676
02:19:17,06 --> 02:19:21,98
I also have understood and me this was I
think partially reflective of the C.P.

1677
02:19:21,99 --> 02:19:27,41
Sees interests. In their
voting as well. That.

1678
02:19:29,35 --> 02:19:34,78
There's there's likely to be
a public. Input process for

1679
02:19:35,40 --> 02:19:41,71
a forum or two and. Or you
know Charette or you know.

1680
02:19:43,56 --> 02:19:50,21
The type of work in progress you know
presentation and so on the two to gauge the

1681
02:19:50,22 --> 02:19:56,11
community interests and needs and and so I
don't think I don't think we need to get

1682
02:19:56,94 --> 02:20:03,36
all excited about the prospect of
grant funds coming up. Tomorrow

1683
02:20:03,71 --> 02:20:05,12
because there will be a part of

1684
02:20:05,32 --> 02:20:11,38
a lengthy process associated with this so
I think if we can we can afford to wait

1685
02:20:11,39 --> 02:20:16,47
because the plan is to wait but I'd
actually like to see the timeline that is

1686
02:20:16,48 --> 02:20:22,82
presented I didn't see that I could I
saw reference to the cities the city's

1687
02:20:22,86 --> 02:20:27,59
interest the city's calendar the city's
timetable but I don't know what timetable

1688
02:20:27,60 --> 02:20:32,66
that is who is that it's as if the boards
is it is the Board of Public Works is it

1689
02:20:32,67 --> 02:20:38,70
the C P C's Is it the mayor's I'm very
uncomfortable with that timetable because I

1690
02:20:38,71 --> 02:20:41,08
do think that this I do not believe this

1691
02:20:41,09 --> 02:20:46,74
a chicken and egg problem. And I don't
believe that one should necessarily drive

1692
02:20:46,75 --> 02:20:52,06
the other in either circumstance I think
that they should happen. That one should

1693
02:20:52,07 --> 02:20:56,47
happen with the other in mind and at the
other should happen with the first in mind

1694
02:20:57,08 --> 02:21:04,00
and I just want to I don't I prefer
really appreciated teal and Mr

1695
02:21:04,01 --> 02:21:07,84
Love He was a. Great presenter and

1696
02:21:08,53 --> 02:21:15,08
a smart person but. Of course he's
going to believe that his his

1697
02:21:15,09 --> 02:21:21,97
presentation is going to fit well with this
the Stimson. The with the Stimson plan

1698
02:21:21,98 --> 02:21:28,76
because that's where he started in fact
when and just to just to comment on what he

1699
02:21:28,77 --> 02:21:35,36
said not in the letter but in the. In
during both meetings in which I was there

1700
02:21:35,77 --> 02:21:40,95
he said that the systems in design wasn't
very clear when it came to the round

1701
02:21:40,96 --> 02:21:47,22
house area and that it could it could be
improved it could it could it was that was

1702
02:21:47,23 --> 02:21:54,23
the least sort of focused element of
the design for the park and that. And

1703
02:21:54,24 --> 02:21:55,82
of and there's his fill that in

1704
02:21:55,83 --> 02:22:00,91
a little bit the you deal work
field fill that in but. If we have

1705
02:22:00,92 --> 02:22:04,80
a situation where the
community desires to fund

1706
02:22:04,84 --> 02:22:11,08
a two level parking garage and green space
so in other words no apartment. We will

1707
02:22:11,09 --> 02:22:16,58
have really missed an opportunity to
develop one park that stretches where the

1708
02:22:16,59 --> 02:22:20,58
plastic park is now all the way over the
Roundhouse that will have missed that

1709
02:22:20,59 --> 02:22:24,73
opportunity if we let the Stimson associates
go through with this will have two

1710
02:22:24,74 --> 02:22:25,97
parks maybe it's

1711
02:22:25,98 --> 02:22:30,22
a good thing maybe it's not but we will
have passed that up and I think it's

1712
02:22:30,23 --> 02:22:34,62
a mistake to do that as there Specter So
first in terms of input on the park and

1713
02:22:34,77 --> 02:22:38,76
need extensive public input just
remembering my daughter was on the Youth

1714
02:22:38,77 --> 02:22:39,98
Commission believes she was

1715
02:22:39,99 --> 02:22:46,33
a junior in high school. Was selected
to be extensive processes already

1716
02:22:46,34 --> 02:22:50,98
discussing input from the community up
Alaskan Park is one of those projects that's

1717
02:22:50,99 --> 02:22:54,45
going on and on an input and
input and more important there's

1718
02:22:54,46 --> 02:22:59,09
a time where we use even in this place
where we can talk endlessly call

1719
02:22:59,10 --> 02:23:00,43
a question it was all

1720
02:23:00,83 --> 02:23:04,43
a great deal of input I even remember Abby
coming home one night how do you put up

1721
02:23:04,44 --> 02:23:08,68
with this people just talk and they had
endless meetings and listen put on he was

1722
02:23:08,69 --> 02:23:09,64
a good process it was

1723
02:23:09,65 --> 02:23:15,40
a long process and it was even the only
process and obtaining public input into the

1724
02:23:15,41 --> 02:23:19,13
design of the park that's number one the
second question that ever is for when the

1725
02:23:19,14 --> 02:23:24,89
concert speaks is why do we spend money on
experts and consult. Years of one of the

1726
02:23:24,90 --> 02:23:29,56
most recognized consultants in the
field on this particular area it's

1727
02:23:29,57 --> 02:23:35,72
a very specific area. And if we're not
going to it wasn't like somehow he was

1728
02:23:35,76 --> 02:23:38,55
unequivocal about it
well this it sounds like

1729
02:23:38,56 --> 02:23:43,16
a good idea and maybe we should that
letter basically said this is an ideal

1730
02:23:43,17 --> 02:23:46,04
complement this is something
you should be doing this is

1731
02:23:46,05 --> 02:23:48,49
a strong recommendation someone who's been

1732
02:23:48,50 --> 02:23:52,59
a consultant I know when I'm making that
kind of recommendation I am putting my

1733
02:23:52,60 --> 02:23:57,93
professional credentials on the line and
so do it simulate that somehow of course

1734
02:23:57,94 --> 02:24:02,91
he has some interest because you know he's
saying his interest is there to support

1735
02:24:02,92 --> 02:24:06,32
this thing that interest was there
because this is what he believed as

1736
02:24:06,33 --> 02:24:12,97
a professional. Is it is in the best
interest in the city so. I would say

1737
02:24:13,01 --> 02:24:18,05
if we say OK we're going to second guess
this at this point in the dish and we have

1738
02:24:18,09 --> 02:24:21,80
a very good committee that most of us
reckon that of the most of us know on the

1739
02:24:21,81 --> 02:24:22,48
C.P.A.

1740
02:24:22,66 --> 02:24:26,34
Who discuss these kind of things which is
why we have to do it for hours and hours

1741
02:24:26,35 --> 02:24:31,64
and hours and what I'm hearing is this the
it in terms of intent on the there was

1742
02:24:31,65 --> 02:24:32,78
a unanimous vote there was

1743
02:24:32,79 --> 02:24:38,26
a difference of opinion about breaking up
the spending. I'm going to support this I

1744
02:24:38,27 --> 02:24:44,39
hope everybody else can support this as
well. The other cuts of the well. It's

1745
02:24:44,40 --> 02:24:50,88
a one yes yes yes so it's. You know.

1746
02:24:52,30 --> 02:24:53,66
Is it kind of what these are going to be

1747
02:24:53,67 --> 02:24:59,54
a cap on the amount of money to be spent
on the park. And not as as this or that.

1748
02:25:01,32 --> 02:25:06,58
This this is just rehashed sign an order
at one point. For eight hundred thousand

1749
02:25:06,59 --> 02:25:12,92
dollars to design an eight to ten million
dollars possibility in North Hampton we

1750
02:25:12,93 --> 02:25:16,80
spent the money in the facility came in
at thirty oh just under thirty million

1751
02:25:16,81 --> 02:25:23,59
dollars It didn't get built we
didn't even spend one third of the

1752
02:25:23,60 --> 02:25:28,42
money that it took to design it just to
get us to the point where it's going to

1753
02:25:28,48 --> 02:25:34,74
cost us almost thirty million dollars So
and now we're paying that money back.

1754
02:25:37,74 --> 02:25:39,85
And it was a bond and this is C.P.A.

1755
02:25:39,86 --> 02:25:43,19
Money but I would like to
know if they're going to put

1756
02:25:43,20 --> 02:25:46,98
a cap on how much was spent because ten
percent is all public works projects for

1757
02:25:46,99 --> 02:25:52,58
design and engineering ten percent of the
total cost of the project so that brings

1758
02:25:52,59 --> 02:25:58,25
us up near two million dollars. And how
much grant money how much will the city and

1759
02:25:58,39 --> 02:26:03,07
where's the money actually going
to come from and if we could put

1760
02:26:03,09 --> 02:26:08,69
a cap on it I might be
more willing to say yes.

1761
02:26:10,71 --> 02:26:15,53
I was just going to say that you're right
about the ten percent but you're you're

1762
02:26:15,54 --> 02:26:17,09
way you're not factoring
in is that there's

1763
02:26:17,10 --> 02:26:21,47
a separate piece of the funding that you're
being asked to prove tonight which is

1764
02:26:21,48 --> 02:26:26,37
for the public design process that was the
piece that and that's where some members

1765
02:26:26,38 --> 02:26:27,00
of the C.B.C.

1766
02:26:27,01 --> 02:26:33,55
Wanted to separate the that ten percent
design piece from the preliminary schematic

1767
02:26:34,33 --> 02:26:39,78
public process so I don't know is that
broken down. What the numbers what that

1768
02:26:39,79 --> 02:26:43,55
difference is I don't know
what it is but I mean this is

1769
02:26:43,56 --> 02:26:49,93
a high priority for my administration which
is why when the C P C rejected it the

1770
02:26:49,94 --> 02:26:53,44
first time I put my name
on the application as

1771
02:26:53,45 --> 02:26:58,33
a sponsor of it and went before the committee
both times to advocate for it and I

1772
02:26:58,34 --> 02:27:03,46
will assure you that I will do everything
I can to find the funding to states or

1773
02:27:03,51 --> 02:27:07,76
resources through grant money through
whatever it is to get this park done I can't

1774
02:27:07,77 --> 02:27:12,23
tell you how many people have complained
to me about like why are we you know why

1775
02:27:12,24 --> 02:27:15,05
are we building new parks in
new fields and you've got

1776
02:27:15,06 --> 02:27:20,08
a park in the center of downtown that looks
the way that park looks. I can't tell

1777
02:27:20,09 --> 02:27:23,12
you how many times I've heard that and I've
had to try to explain to them Well the

1778
02:27:23,13 --> 02:27:27,37
way the law is structured we can actually
do that well now we can do it and I feel

1779
02:27:27,38 --> 02:27:31,49
like this this is this is not only
an important public space this is

1780
02:27:31,50 --> 02:27:34,37
a you know one of our free
speech zones in the city this is

1781
02:27:34,38 --> 02:27:40,06
a he said Democratic park in many ways
it's where people come to celebrate Casmir

1782
02:27:40,07 --> 02:27:44,56
Pelasgian a hula hoop to protest
I mean this is a this is

1783
02:27:44,57 --> 02:27:50,06
a significant downtown space and I think
this is an important investment one of the

1784
02:27:50,07 --> 02:27:54,10
things we talked about was just that whole
area of downtown and trying to really

1785
02:27:54,18 --> 02:27:56,95
live in it and make Plaskett park more of

1786
02:27:56,96 --> 02:28:00,98
a place that people want to go and go their
children and go with families so you

1787
02:28:00,99 --> 02:28:02,27
know I think this is a this is

1788
02:28:02,28 --> 02:28:08,69
a major priority for me or my name wouldn't
be on the application so rest assured

1789
02:28:08,70 --> 02:28:11,99
I'm going to do everything I can to make
sure. This is funded that we're not going

1790
02:28:12,00 --> 02:28:16,86
to just design this and the design is going
to sit on the shelf so that's that's

1791
02:28:16,87 --> 02:28:21,14
the best assurance I can give and the
Community Preservation Committee absolutely

1792
02:28:21,15 --> 02:28:25,66
recognizes that any time that they
recommend funding for it for a design or

1793
02:28:25,67 --> 02:28:26,88
a study that there's

1794
02:28:26,89 --> 02:28:31,51
a chance that those those funds may be lost
that the study will show something that

1795
02:28:31,52 --> 02:28:36,33
we don't want to see or that is that the
designs will set. Foot in this case for

1796
02:28:36,34 --> 02:28:40,42
all the reasons that Mark was just said
they recognize the importance of funding

1797
02:28:40,90 --> 02:28:46,87
I'll ask you Mark and at this point. Three
million. Just to respond to counsel

1798
02:28:46,88 --> 02:28:51,45
Specter. Because I was I was making

1799
02:28:51,63 --> 02:28:57,05
a couple of points first of all you
Teal. Was asked to come in and show

1800
02:28:57,09 --> 02:29:02,23
commercially viable development projects
and so their development project had the

1801
02:29:02,24 --> 02:29:03,24
park ending at

1802
02:29:03,25 --> 02:29:09,94
a building. Like I like the other which led
to my other point which obviously they

1803
02:29:09,95 --> 02:29:12,62
use the Simpson proposal which I'm I'm

1804
02:29:12,63 --> 02:29:18,40
a big fan of it but they that proposal
ends at the edge of the at the at what the

1805
02:29:18,41 --> 02:29:23,75
cliff that exists now and that's where
you put the building so we hired them to

1806
02:29:23,76 --> 02:29:24,27
give us

1807
02:29:24,38 --> 02:29:31,27
a specific answer and they did. However
we've heard from the public and I don't

1808
02:29:31,28 --> 02:29:36,05
necessarily support this but if it is the
case that we decide that the city decides

1809
02:29:36,06 --> 02:29:37,00
that we want to have

1810
02:29:38,10 --> 02:29:41,99
a two level parking garage with green space
which is not which is doesn't have the

1811
02:29:42,00 --> 02:29:46,45
same commercial viability the city would
have to make an investment that will have

1812
02:29:46,69 --> 02:29:51,23
will have. I'll say it again will
have missed an opportunity missed

1813
02:29:51,24 --> 02:29:58,14
a chance to really have one large green
space one large park and instead will have

1814
02:29:58,15 --> 02:30:02,95
a Stimson park which could be award winning
and will have some other park behind it

1815
02:30:03,52 --> 02:30:04,11
and I think it's

1816
02:30:04,12 --> 02:30:13,34
a mistake to do one before the other. Just

1817
02:30:13,35 --> 02:30:19,73
a little confused I mean why would that.
Mean even. If you were expanding the Green

1818
02:30:19,74 --> 02:30:22,85
Park to a larger park over rode over

1819
02:30:22,86 --> 02:30:28,36
a parking garage why we have to park Why
would we have just one that one put the

1820
02:30:28,59 --> 02:30:35,55
initial plan could expand out over that
if that if that's the case well. I mean

1821
02:30:35,56 --> 02:30:35,81
this is

1822
02:30:35,82 --> 02:30:41,94
a design question right so. I can answer
it based on my limited ability to answer

1823
02:30:41,96 --> 02:30:45,58
design questions but it's the
case that the Simpson plan has

1824
02:30:45,59 --> 02:30:46,94
a certain orientation it has

1825
02:30:46,94 --> 02:30:52,41
a certain projected use for the different
elements in the park you'd have you

1826
02:30:52,42 --> 02:30:56,60
really could you could I guess you could
carbon copy it and put it behind it but

1827
02:30:56,60 --> 02:31:00,83
you would really have two separate elements
wouldn't that you wouldn't be able to

1828
02:31:00,84 --> 02:31:04,71
last well with the second park but they
could that they would be charged with

1829
02:31:04,71 --> 02:31:11,57
considering conforming and and
rhyming with the park as it stands

1830
02:31:11,74 --> 02:31:17,67
and using the park that that may possibly
evolve from this as the starting point or

1831
02:31:17,71 --> 02:31:23,16
driving as it were the second park on
the features that are. Do you mind if I

1832
02:31:23,26 --> 02:31:28,38
answer directly if you completely agree
with so so what you're asking me is what

1833
02:31:28,39 --> 02:31:30,73
you're asking is could we build

1834
02:31:30,74 --> 02:31:34,15
a building and then if we want to
add on to it later add on to it in

1835
02:31:34,16 --> 02:31:37,22
a similar way sure but you
could also plan to build

1836
02:31:37,23 --> 02:31:42,64
a bigger building which has different
features and elements in it. If you know that

1837
02:31:42,65 --> 02:31:44,82
you're going to do if you know
that you're going to have

1838
02:31:44,83 --> 02:31:51,68
a larger footprint then you might want to
design for that larger footprint it's not

1839
02:31:51,69 --> 02:31:52,93
always the best to build

1840
02:31:53,33 --> 02:31:56,43
a little house and then make an addition
to it if you know that you're going to

1841
02:31:56,44 --> 02:31:58,58
build a bigger house later
you might as well just build

1842
02:31:58,59 --> 02:32:02,71
a bigger house right so this is then
that's the analogy you could have

1843
02:32:02,72 --> 02:32:05,57
a rhyming thing but you might
miss an opportunity for

1844
02:32:05,58 --> 02:32:11,65
a really amazing singular park that
is that has a one long feature or or

1845
02:32:11,66 --> 02:32:17,60
a zig zag going through it but that's
not the point is when you Teal comes in

1846
02:32:17,61 --> 02:32:21,47
recommend something they're on
there in the business of building

1847
02:32:21,51 --> 02:32:28,07
a building of the park and so that's why
the part that's why the. Design fits so

1848
02:32:28,08 --> 02:32:31,03
well because you could put a building
at the end of it there may not be

1849
02:32:31,21 --> 02:32:34,34
a building end of it there may
be green spaces I think it's

1850
02:32:34,35 --> 02:32:38,64
a mistake to do to have one process in
from the other I don't see why we can't do

1851
02:32:38,65 --> 02:32:43,33
them both I think it's I have to disagree
that it's that it makes any sense from

1852
02:32:43,34 --> 02:32:46,47
a design perspective don't salute D.C.

1853
02:32:47,24 --> 02:32:50,70
The development potential in
the let's call it the hotel

1854
02:32:50,71 --> 02:32:57,09
a lot of the round house whatever you
want. Is marginal at best and we

1855
02:32:57,78 --> 02:33:04,45
seem to have come to that conclusion and
so I wouldn't be at all on board with

1856
02:33:04,46 --> 02:33:10,85
making something that would require the
developer of the park to actually do more.

1857
02:33:13,97 --> 02:33:18,62
I mean I'm not looking to give away the
store here but I would like to at least

1858
02:33:18,63 --> 02:33:19,43
give the developer

1859
02:33:19,44 --> 02:33:23,96
a chance to figure out just exactly what
he's going to find I mean. I don't even

1860
02:33:23,97 --> 02:33:27,40
know if it's economically feasible for
development of that particular piece of

1861
02:33:27,41 --> 02:33:34,22
property. So when I say I'm
not going to support. Them

1862
02:33:34,49 --> 02:33:39,48
I think there's one thing that people
universally agree on and that's Plaskett park

1863
02:33:39,49 --> 02:33:44,48
is awful I mean everybody
hates Plesk everybody

1864
02:33:46,58 --> 02:33:49,05
and I to have mention to

1865
02:33:49,06 --> 02:33:54,49
a lot of people the restraint that
used to be honest under the C.P.C.

1866
02:33:54,68 --> 02:33:58,76
Requirements that we couldn't do it and
they say it's Park is awful why haven't you

1867
02:33:58,77 --> 02:34:03,48
done it and I mean we had to say because
we couldn't spend the money and now not

1868
02:34:03,49 --> 02:34:05,39
only can we spend the
money on it but there's

1869
02:34:05,40 --> 02:34:07,22
a potential for state funding cycle for

1870
02:34:07,23 --> 02:34:12,72
a park like that I think we need to do it
and the fact that we enhanced that park

1871
02:34:12,73 --> 02:34:16,19
is probably going to increase the development
potential of what's down the hill and

1872
02:34:16,20 --> 02:34:20,16
I for one think that we might end up with
lots of things there but it is going to

1873
02:34:20,17 --> 02:34:21,04
be a parking garage with

1874
02:34:21,05 --> 02:34:25,79
a green space on top of it I mean
you know I think we'll end up with

1875
02:34:25,80 --> 02:34:27,93
a nuclear reactor down there
before we're going to end up with

1876
02:34:27,94 --> 02:34:32,61
a parking garage with green space on top
of it so I'm happy to support this one

1877
02:34:33,59 --> 02:34:39,68
councillor way. I'll disagree in that I
don't people asking for I actually actually

1878
02:34:39,69 --> 02:34:45,12
enjoy Poleski park and it but I absolutely
agree that it can be improved and in

1879
02:34:45,13 --> 02:34:50,04
fact Actually this goes back to the other
question about public space and how we

1880
02:34:50,05 --> 02:34:55,73
use public space and the fact that we don't
that many of our problems arise from

1881
02:34:55,74 --> 02:35:01,60
the absence of public. My concern you know
I wasn't trying to be argumentative I

1882
02:35:01,60 --> 02:35:04,78
was clearly asking because I was trying
to figure out what what it was you were

1883
02:35:04,78 --> 02:35:11,75
driving at. My concern is
the Stacey is that the

1884
02:35:12,28 --> 02:35:17,39
conscious spectrum First we can
be stymied by process this is

1885
02:35:17,40 --> 02:35:21,92
a concern of mine during the one political
campaign that I think we're all familiar

1886
02:35:21,93 --> 02:35:28,61
with that at some point. Public
process and process and process

1887
02:35:29,10 --> 02:35:35,98
only supports process it kills
it can kill actual thing and in

1888
02:35:35,99 --> 02:35:38,24
this case I think if we don't take

1889
02:35:38,28 --> 02:35:44,38
a step forward. Little gun
shy and I think we earned it

1890
02:35:45,65 --> 02:35:51,59
by the same time I'm not I don't think
it's appropriate to be handcuffed to to

1891
02:35:52,09 --> 02:35:57,37
stop on the basis of probabilities I think
that's there has to be some aspect of

1892
02:35:57,38 --> 02:36:03,33
courage and vision here and I and actually
I do take counsel Freeman Dana's point

1893
02:36:04,34 --> 02:36:08,93
he's saying let's not restrict the vision
what's let's keep the options open for

1894
02:36:08,94 --> 02:36:14,87
the vision I don't think but I do disagree
but in saying that I don't think that

1895
02:36:14,88 --> 02:36:19,67
that's actually going to be the issue here
I think the issue here the issue here is

1896
02:36:19,68 --> 02:36:23,34
that we're going to be stuck we're going
to be stuck for political reasons we're

1897
02:36:23,35 --> 02:36:27,08
going to be stuck because invariably
there's going to be someone who's going to

1898
02:36:27,09 --> 02:36:31,49
disagree with someone else's vision it's
being applied as goes back to the public

1899
02:36:31,50 --> 02:36:37,42
art discussion we got to go forward we
have to we have to move in this there are

1900
02:36:37,43 --> 02:36:43,38
opportunities here and there promising
opportunities and I actually think that we I

1901
02:36:43,47 --> 02:36:50,10
actually desperate to feel excited about
something and I have and I'm looking

1902
02:36:50,11 --> 02:36:55,42
forward to being excited about this and
maybe I accept the fact that that comes

1903
02:36:55,43 --> 02:37:00,97
with the implied risk of fire excitement
translating something that might. Be

1904
02:37:00,98 --> 02:37:06,40
something we can't even imagine but everything
comes with its own problems sets of

1905
02:37:06,45 --> 02:37:11,16
risk there's an element of risk to
this yet. But the prospects are

1906
02:37:11,61 --> 02:37:17,00
a lot more alluring and have and hold
great much more promise for the community

1907
02:37:17,01 --> 02:37:22,00
because as the mayor pointed out this is
our center this is our core this is we're

1908
02:37:22,01 --> 02:37:28,44
adjacent to this everything that this
community spends most of its time identifying

1909
02:37:28,45 --> 02:37:31,86
itself by the things that stick out of
the ground not the ground not the park I

1910
02:37:31,87 --> 02:37:35,29
would love that the park actually not only
drive the development that goes behind

1911
02:37:35,30 --> 02:37:39,78
it but every future consideration for
development within the community and if we

1912
02:37:39,79 --> 02:37:46,29
start with that if we start with something
in the park that I like if we find

1913
02:37:46,33 --> 02:37:52,63
a park that everyone like for that
everyone agreed was was certainly

1914
02:37:53,17 --> 02:37:58,19
a place that they would like to share and
enjoy then that I think we've done the

1915
02:37:58,20 --> 02:38:03,28
right thing I've done I think we've invested
the way we're supposed to invest. I'm

1916
02:38:03,29 --> 02:38:06,79
excited about the prospect of calling this
question finance and I also feel that

1917
02:38:06,80 --> 02:38:12,77
way have. Heard that. Oh and I have

1918
02:38:12,78 --> 02:38:19,65
a positive recommendation that he
opposed great. Dave continues on the

1919
02:38:19,66 --> 02:38:23,55
recommendation of the Community Preservation
Committee order that whereas the North

1920
02:38:23,56 --> 02:38:26,10
Hampton Conservation Commission
submitted the C.P.A.

1921
02:38:26,11 --> 02:38:30,71
Application for the purchase of fifty eight
acre parcel to add to the sawmill Hills

1922
02:38:30,82 --> 02:38:35,18
conservation area and whereas this is an
environmentally important location that

1923
02:38:35,19 --> 02:38:39,10
will provide opportunities for trail and
habitat connections and where is the

1924
02:38:39,11 --> 02:38:42,63
project meets the goals of the Sustainable
North Hampton plan for authentic

1925
02:38:42,64 --> 02:38:48,08
Community Preservation plan and open space
recreation and multi use trail plan to

1926
02:38:48,09 --> 02:38:52,22
protect open space and provide for passive
recreation and whereas on November

1927
02:38:52,23 --> 02:38:55,81
twentieth two thousand and thirteen the
Northampton Community Preservation

1928
02:38:55,82 --> 02:38:59,81
Committee voted unanimously to recommend
one hundred seventy thousand dollars in

1929
02:38:59,82 --> 02:39:04,42
Community Preservation Act funds be used
to support this project and whereas the

1930
02:39:04,43 --> 02:39:08,09
city council voted to authorize the purchase
of this property and that authority

1931
02:39:08,10 --> 02:39:11,87
remains in effect now therefore we ordered
that one hundred seventy thousand be

1932
02:39:11,88 --> 02:39:16,23
appropriated from the community present
at Preservation Act funding to the North

1933
02:39:16,24 --> 02:39:21,50
Hampton Conservation Commission for sawmill
Hill's open space acquisition and that

1934
02:39:21,54 --> 02:39:25,67
the grantee meet that meets the conditions
approved by the Community Preservation

1935
02:39:25,68 --> 02:39:29,85
Committee the mayor and the city councils
pacifically that one hundred and sixty

1936
02:39:29,86 --> 02:39:34,41
one thousand one hundred and twenty six
dollars is appropriated from the C.P.A.

1937
02:39:34,42 --> 02:39:38,54
Open space reserve account and eight thousand
eight hundred seventy four dollars is

1938
02:39:38,55 --> 02:39:40,19
appropriated from the C.P.A.

1939
02:39:40,20 --> 02:39:46,92
Budget reserve most.
Discussion on this one.

1940
02:39:49,37 --> 02:39:51,17
And no until I see

1941
02:39:51,18 --> 02:39:57,36
a management plan for the city council
of all counts. I don't suppose it's over

1942
02:39:57,48 --> 02:40:01,75
well the last we were asked Where's the
city council voted to authorize the

1943
02:40:01,76 --> 02:40:08,13
purchase of. Forty remains in effect
somebody just explained that to me

1944
02:40:08,59 --> 02:40:13,59
so Wayne came before the city council I
believe him for for the authority to

1945
02:40:13,60 --> 02:40:19,69
purchase this property. And there is there
was no funding tied to it at that point

1946
02:40:19,75 --> 02:40:25,57
but just to remove the accusation that
we use that word that it is that money.

1947
02:40:27,10 --> 02:40:30,89
Wasn't this the property
price and yes you have

1948
02:40:30,90 --> 02:40:37,44
a difference that. The other.
On their own favor I have.

1949
02:40:39,81 --> 02:40:45,61
I know I know. And that. Means me

1950
02:40:46,59 --> 02:40:52,71
of motion control what would your second
sex say versus I thank you would you like

1951
02:40:52,72 --> 02:40:59,10
me to stay for discussions and I think you
know I think world's guy. Is also those

1952
02:40:59,10 --> 02:41:00,56
. He's been

1953
02:41:00,57 --> 02:41:09,84
a request for recess Oh yes
you want you want to say. I'm

1954
02:41:09,85 --> 02:41:13,39
a six will keep will move
that first but after

1955
02:41:13,40 --> 02:41:17,75
a five minute recess I was there. So we're
going to recess for five minutes with

1956
02:41:17,76 --> 02:41:18,79
more like seven mil to.

1957
02:41:27,36 --> 02:41:29,78
Welcome back I'm coming
out of recess this is

1958
02:41:29,79 --> 02:41:35,88
a city council meeting December fifth one
Dean we're coming out of recess and going

1959
02:41:35,89 --> 02:41:40,50
back into the regular meaning we precess
out of finance. And we're going to start

1960
02:41:40,51 --> 02:41:46,56
removing. Item six out of
order just upon request

1961
02:41:47,13 --> 02:41:51,49
and this is. Kind of councils
want me to read this it's

1962
02:41:51,50 --> 02:41:54,68
a financial appropriation of one hundred
ninety four thousand dollars and in the

1963
02:41:54,69 --> 02:42:01,20
Preservation Act funding Plaskett part
of Asian project. I accept emotion

1964
02:42:01,62 --> 02:42:07,72
so much sex. As Sarah lvalue was
recognizing finance want to extend that

1965
02:42:07,73 --> 02:42:14,25
recognition here will someone actually
move that move repetitious second second

1966
02:42:14,64 --> 02:42:18,07
all in favor and I almost
crashed there are your.

1967
02:42:22,95 --> 02:42:29,30
Accounts from Daniel. And Isabella
you know I'm sorry can I have

1968
02:42:29,31 --> 02:42:33,71
a motion put this on the floor he did we
did it there was I was I hear it they're.

1969
02:42:35,52 --> 02:42:42,51
Good friends from Dave so I. Think
it's the will of the Council to pass

1970
02:42:42,52 --> 02:42:47,68
this but I feel I would
really like to have their.

1971
02:42:50,48 --> 02:42:57,17
Time. Discussed by this for the
city the city's timeline of us

1972
02:42:58,04 --> 02:43:00,02
whether that was part of the C.P.C.

1973
02:43:00,03 --> 02:43:04,88
And who actually who was the. Who is the
body that's going to be dictating this

1974
02:43:04,89 --> 02:43:11,37
time so the wait is memorandums of understanding
between city agencies and they can

1975
02:43:11,47 --> 02:43:13,28
the community has a ration
committee or set up it's

1976
02:43:13,29 --> 02:43:19,44
a timeline of three years that's only had
to been be extended in one case so it

1977
02:43:19,45 --> 02:43:23,40
would take place within there but that
would be deferred the decision about when

1978
02:43:23,41 --> 02:43:26,18
things will actually be taking place would
be different to the applicant so the

1979
02:43:26,19 --> 02:43:29,29
mayor and the Board of Public Works so
the mayor and the board public works are

1980
02:43:29,30 --> 02:43:36,13
going to set the timeline for this
for the public process which is

1981
02:43:36,14 --> 02:43:38,86
we're funding it to the tune of something
like forty four thousand dollars that

1982
02:43:38,87 --> 02:43:44,92
right yes it's so so contrary to what was
mentioned in committee there will be

1983
02:43:44,93 --> 02:43:49,80
a public process regarding this yes not
absolutely not polling at Trigger tomorrow

1984
02:43:50,05 --> 02:43:54,21
we're going to know one one of the concerns
when this was initially proposed last

1985
02:43:54,22 --> 02:43:58,76
round of the committee had was that they
saw the steps in design and six it seemed

1986
02:43:58,77 --> 02:43:58,89
like

1987
02:43:58,90 --> 02:44:03,39
a done deal like this this is the design
is are we can be sure at this point that's

1988
02:44:03,43 --> 02:44:07,21
really what we want so the committee asked
the Board of Public Works to come back

1989
02:44:07,22 --> 02:44:11,17
with a revised proposal and Stimson made
it very very clear that that was just

1990
02:44:11,18 --> 02:44:14,14
a result of the design competition it
wasn't all that detail that was in there

1991
02:44:14,15 --> 02:44:19,34
a time crunch and that going forward there
will be a lot of public input and it's

1992
02:44:19,35 --> 02:44:24,04
a revised design so what I'd like to see
before we vote on this is that is that

1993
02:44:24,05 --> 02:44:25,23
timeline or

1994
02:44:25,24 --> 02:44:29,84
a rough timeline that the applicant would
can present to us and that should be to

1995
02:44:29,85 --> 02:44:35,38
our cause that's the Board of Public
Works and the mayor. You know.

1996
02:44:37,10 --> 02:44:40,95
It's when I mean typically the commute
Preservation Committee differs to applicants

1997
02:44:40,96 --> 02:44:45,21
as long as the work is done within the three
years time frame right but I think the

1998
02:44:45,22 --> 02:44:48,63
councils should at least see the timeline
I mean I was talking about the urgency of

1999
02:44:48,64 --> 02:44:53,61
this so I like to see what the timeline
is Stimpson is ready to being gauged you

2000
02:44:53,62 --> 02:44:58,72
know what I mean there what I mean is
this January February is this six months

2001
02:44:58,73 --> 02:45:03,55
that's kind of I'd like to see that I think
well part of this is we it's difficult

2002
02:45:03,56 --> 02:45:08,10
for us to engage Stimson in us we know we
have the funding and so what if in fact

2003
02:45:08,11 --> 02:45:10,83
we get the funding then we'll sit
down with Stimson and come up with

2004
02:45:10,84 --> 02:45:17,69
a plan for how to do this. So that's
I mean but my timeline and is that I

2005
02:45:17,70 --> 02:45:22,72
want to see that get this process started
so that we can out of it go through the

2006
02:45:22,73 --> 02:45:27,27
early part of two thousand and fourteen
and be ready to go with the next state

2007
02:45:27,28 --> 02:45:32,05
fiscal budget is available and there's
funding opportunities to be able to work

2008
02:45:32,18 --> 02:45:37,75
work with so that you want the plan
completed by I'd like to see why first.

2009
02:45:39,39 --> 02:45:41,26
I don't think that that's
one reasonable to have

2010
02:45:41,27 --> 02:45:47,88
a public process and and on this particularly
given all the the earlier public

2011
02:45:47,89 --> 02:45:52,92
processes that have taken place around
this design so I think it's reasonable to

2012
02:45:52,93 --> 02:45:57,47
expect that this could happen in six to
nine months yeah I totally do I mean is

2013
02:45:57,48 --> 02:46:01,24
that but that's your timeline. You're
the applicant so I haven't had

2014
02:46:01,25 --> 02:46:04,80
a chance to sit down with the D.P.W. V.P.

2015
02:46:04,81 --> 02:46:09,90
To have you talk about it but again they
they've been you know if you go to their

2016
02:46:10,02 --> 02:46:13,22
meeting room they've had these designs
hanging on their walls for the last you know

2017
02:46:13,23 --> 02:46:15,52
five or six years the only
thing they haven't had is

2018
02:46:15,53 --> 02:46:19,47
a funding source to be able to actually
advance them so they're ready to move

2019
02:46:19,48 --> 02:46:26,35
forward and and I'm certainly ready to
move forward on it. So if you're asking me

2020
02:46:26,36 --> 02:46:26,73
to give you

2021
02:46:26,74 --> 02:46:31,88
a printed timeline I can't give that to
you tonight printed is OK but no need to

2022
02:46:31,89 --> 02:46:38,12
print it but you're saying July one is no
I see what I'm saying that that's my my

2023
02:46:38,13 --> 02:46:41,84
own personal hope but again it's hard
for me to say that without meeting with

2024
02:46:41,90 --> 02:46:43,71
sitting down and I can
just imagine asking for

2025
02:46:43,72 --> 02:46:47,36
a warranty I just want to know what
you'll be pushing for that's what I'll be

2026
02:46:47,37 --> 02:46:54,34
pushing Thank you know that and I'll be
pushing for. Out of curiosity. What's

2027
02:46:54,38 --> 02:46:55,22
do you also have

2028
02:46:55,23 --> 02:47:01,32
a timeline for wrapping up the round house.
Math development project will we have

2029
02:47:01,33 --> 02:47:07,86
a I'm hopeful that we're going to be
able to have that so Mr love you till is

2030
02:47:07,87 --> 02:47:09,66
engaged pretty much to do just

2031
02:47:09,67 --> 02:47:14,04
a very finite amount of work that mass
development paid for that report we're

2032
02:47:14,05 --> 02:47:18,35
hoping to be is going to be issued in
the next couple of weeks he's got it

2033
02:47:18,36 --> 02:47:23,66
finalized and and we're hoping that's going
to be issued soon it's going to require

2034
02:47:23,67 --> 02:47:27,87
bringing back together the
committee which is going to be in

2035
02:47:27,88 --> 02:47:29,35
a little bit of limbo
because we're going to have

2036
02:47:29,36 --> 02:47:31,42
a new ad and so that's going to delay that

2037
02:47:31,43 --> 02:47:36,75
a little bit but my hope is to to get that
out to the committee into the public so

2038
02:47:36,76 --> 02:47:37,15
that they have

2039
02:47:37,16 --> 02:47:42,22
a chance to review it but I think that
that report is going to provide some

2040
02:47:42,23 --> 02:47:46,64
information but in some cases it's going
to provide other questions that need to be

2041
02:47:46,76 --> 02:47:49,30
thought about so I am not in

2042
02:47:49,31 --> 02:47:54,72
a hurry on the on the round house
lot project I'm not there's there's

2043
02:47:54,76 --> 02:47:59,14
a lot of moving parts not the least of
which is the still the environmental stuff

2044
02:47:59,15 --> 02:48:04,44
that's still there that would have to be
dealt with that has to be dealt with but.

2045
02:48:06,04 --> 02:48:09,55
I'm hoping we'll have a deliberate
process on that one and there's

2046
02:48:09,56 --> 02:48:13,82
a whole other process that I know the
committee expressed wanting to do public

2047
02:48:13,83 --> 02:48:20,19
forums based on the the turnout they had
of the first one but wanted to do more so

2048
02:48:20,20 --> 02:48:23,70
I'm going to work with the committee to
figure out what they want to do going

2049
02:48:23,71 --> 02:48:28,90
forward. But I don't see. You
know that's that's not on

2050
02:48:28,91 --> 02:48:34,78
a similar track for me and believe me no
one wants to see us be successful with

2051
02:48:34,79 --> 02:48:36,32
that project if there's

2052
02:48:36,33 --> 02:48:41,13
a successful project to be had more than
I do I will I will I want that to happen

2053
02:48:41,41 --> 02:48:45,59
so if I felt that the Plaskett park thing
was going to somehow jeopardize that or

2054
02:48:45,60 --> 02:48:51,46
somehow compromise it or somehow I wouldn't
be I wouldn't be advocating for this

2055
02:48:51,47 --> 02:48:57,16
project to move forward. I just don't
want to see us not do anything in either

2056
02:48:57,17 --> 02:49:02,54
project in and then we're sort of
where we are that's my concern so.

2057
02:49:04,42 --> 02:49:10,59
Thank you speaking as the applicant.
No questions just statement.

2058
02:49:13,38 --> 02:49:19,86
The mayor is showing real leadership
on this and. And I support this

2059
02:49:20,46 --> 02:49:24,80
this order and you know the discussion

2060
02:49:28,29 --> 02:49:33,61
you know the discussion
the. Roll call please. Yes.

2061
02:49:35,09 --> 02:49:41,20
Yes yes. Yes

2062
02:49:41,96 --> 02:49:46,48
yes. Yes. No.

2063
02:49:51,30 --> 02:49:55,11
All right now we're back to the
numerical order of the financial orders

2064
02:49:55,12 --> 02:49:58,44
appropriation of seventy four thousand
five hundred seventy three dollars and

2065
02:49:58,45 --> 02:50:01,44
thirty cents. And there's

2066
02:50:01,45 --> 02:50:05,76
a request for two reading this is from
Smith procreational stabilization fund for

2067
02:50:05,77 --> 02:50:11,40
purchase of computers i Pads and other
technology. To be curriculum soft so move

2068
02:50:12,25 --> 02:50:19,10
for. Further discussion.
No further discussion

2069
02:50:19,68 --> 02:50:21,28
roll call first reading please.

2070
02:50:27,22 --> 02:50:34,22
Yes. Yes yes. Yes.

2071
02:50:35,69 --> 02:50:42,35
Yes. Yes. Yes this is Spencer for change

2072
02:50:43,15 --> 02:50:45,46
motions for me because I
was seconded by counsel

2073
02:50:45,47 --> 02:50:50,04
a barge all those in favor suspending rules
police say I write almost zero chance

2074
02:50:50,05 --> 02:50:56,68
entering second is moot as are second
second second and further discussion will

2075
02:50:56,69 --> 02:51:02,76
call police yes. Yes. Yes.

2076
02:51:03,78 --> 02:51:09,72
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes yes.

2077
02:51:10,95 --> 02:51:17,13
Yes. I did number two in this is also
request for two readings of this

2078
02:51:17,14 --> 02:51:20,52
a financial report of appropriation
twenty two thousand dollars from the

2079
02:51:20,54 --> 02:51:25,84
stabilization fund raiser economic
impact analysis of the proposed M.G.M.

2080
02:51:25,86 --> 02:51:32,72
Springfield casino scuse me consular did
you say two rings that one could try to

2081
02:51:32,73 --> 02:51:38,29
use or nah mustard on to read innocent
over said he doesn't have to approve of.

2082
02:51:39,70 --> 02:51:44,31
Oceans remain second the council came down
yes believe the reason for two readings

2083
02:51:44,32 --> 02:51:50,91
tonight is so that the firm can be employed
quickly so that we can. Submit early in

2084
02:51:50,92 --> 02:51:57,33
the G twenty fourteen the city can submit
its. Appeal I think with an appeal or its

2085
02:51:57,33 --> 02:52:03,99
. Or its initial. Claim against
for mitigation against

2086
02:52:03,100 --> 02:52:04,48
M.G.M.

2087
02:52:04,48 --> 02:52:14,41
. I believe to spend this
money to spend it. May

2088
02:52:14,42 --> 02:52:19,50
further discussion on
this appropriate. Place.

2089
02:52:21,68 --> 02:52:27,14
Yes yes. Yes yes

2090
02:52:26,72 --> 02:52:33,42
yes yes. Yes fourteen second

2091
02:52:33,98 --> 02:52:39,22
motions from made to suspend rules all those
in favor police say I don't know I was

2092
02:52:40,12 --> 02:52:46,22
checking the motions made the second
reading any further discussion which will

2093
02:52:46,41 --> 02:52:52,91
please yes yes. Yes. Yes.

2094
02:52:54,00 --> 02:52:58,38
Yes yes yes. Right.

2095
02:53:02,33 --> 02:53:07,63
OK this is an appropriation of thirty
thousand dollars from the C.P.A.

2096
02:53:07,64 --> 02:53:12,59
Funding to the Conservation Commission for
North Northampton ecological assessment

2097
02:53:12,60 --> 02:53:16,47
of open space of two per second and

2098
02:53:16,48 --> 02:53:22,99
a further discussion
on this. WILL Yes yes.

2099
02:53:25,16 --> 02:53:31,58
Yes. Yes. Yes yes yes.

2100
02:53:33,77 --> 02:53:40,15
Yes asses in first reading. Next up is
the appropriation of two hundred fifty

2101
02:53:40,16 --> 02:53:41,68
thousand dollars from the C.P.A.

2102
02:53:42,35 --> 02:53:47,26
Funding to Northampton Office of Planning
and sustainability for the water mass

2103
02:53:47,27 --> 02:53:51,68
central rail trail extension project goes
up emotion so we have to him second.

2104
02:53:53,02 --> 02:53:55,68
Oceans made by comes around I'm second to

2105
02:53:55,69 --> 02:54:01,09
a concert AC. Any further
discussion on this. Competition.

2106
02:54:03,36 --> 02:54:09,99
I know full well this is going to pass.
I'm going to abstain from this. For

2107
02:54:11,57 --> 02:54:17,77
reasons personal reasons.
All I want to get now

2108
02:54:19,56 --> 02:54:22,26
I know all the people are going to be
supplying materials and this is stuff like

2109
02:54:22,27 --> 02:54:27,48
that night. For your standing
because of possible conflicts B.S.

2110
02:54:27,48 --> 02:54:33,64
. Any further discussion will call police

2111
02:54:34,24 --> 02:54:40,69
yes. Yes. Stain. Yes nothing

2112
02:54:41,29 --> 02:54:48,14
Yes yes. Yes. Yes

2113
02:54:48,21 --> 02:54:55,20
but if the vote goes. Well you really

2114
02:54:55,29 --> 02:55:02,26
hear about you commit in there you can
see the passes for three days. Next

2115
02:55:02,27 --> 02:55:05,83
stop is an appropriation of two hundred
thousand dollars from the Community

2116
02:55:05,84 --> 02:55:11,43
Preservation Act funding to twenty three
thirty four new South Street apartments

2117
02:55:11,44 --> 02:55:15,86
restoration project hopes up the motion
move to approve second any further

2118
02:55:15,87 --> 02:55:21,96
discussion deputy I was just I mean think
about it since we voted on it in finance

2119
02:55:22,33 --> 02:55:25,95
but I know that we did purchase an
affordability extension on the new cell Street

2120
02:55:26,33 --> 02:55:30,59
building for some period of time I think
it was thirty five years I'm not sure I

2121
02:55:30,60 --> 02:55:34,84
don't know how much money we paid for it.
And where exactly the money came from and

2122
02:55:34,85 --> 02:55:40,08
got to the top of my head but at this point
I'm going to have to vote no on this

2123
02:55:41,03 --> 02:55:48,02
because I don't think that I was purchasing
enough fordable extension is it seems

2124
02:55:48,03 --> 02:55:53,26
like we're going to keep maybe dumping money
into this private entity every so many

2125
02:55:53,27 --> 02:55:58,98
years for years and years to come so I'm
going to have to vote no. And question

2126
02:55:59,33 --> 02:56:06,27
counsel Freeman DANIELS Yeah I. Do
agree. But like I said before we need

2127
02:56:06,28 --> 02:56:12,65
better specificity but. The.
Project is both we have

2128
02:56:12,66 --> 02:56:18,20
a both historical building and affordable
housing so it fits criteria that the

2129
02:56:18,21 --> 02:56:18,87
C.P.A.

2130
02:56:18,88 --> 02:56:25,42
Is created for and it also serves as
our president space said it serves.

2131
02:56:26,66 --> 02:56:32,73
For affordable housing in the downtown
area which is is very important so I will

2132
02:56:32,74 --> 02:56:38,83
support this any further
discussion. Please

2133
02:56:40,36 --> 02:56:46,84
yes. No yes yes yes.

2134
02:56:47,98 --> 02:56:53,24
Yes. Yes no.

2135
02:56:56,05 --> 02:57:02,26
Or yes no now we're up to number seven
which is the appropriation of one hundred

2136
02:57:02,27 --> 02:57:05,86
seventy thousand dollars from Community
Preservation Act funding for the

2137
02:57:05,87 --> 02:57:10,10
Northampton Conservation Commission for
sawmills open space acquisition both to

2138
02:57:10,11 --> 02:57:16,60
approve second. In second. We
we did six only if we did I

2139
02:57:17,05 --> 02:57:21,08
think you can you say I am
most forgot I made to house

2140
02:57:21,09 --> 02:57:26,35
a condom in the motion believe Council
of our second. Any further discussion.

2141
02:57:28,07 --> 02:57:33,52
On that I will vote no on this one
until we see something done from

2142
02:57:33,56 --> 02:57:36,63
a previously approved Item number three on

2143
02:57:37,25 --> 02:57:43,02
a plan of Management and thank
you for the discussion.

2144
02:57:44,79 --> 02:57:47,16
Concert I mean if we're going to place

2145
02:57:47,17 --> 02:57:50,37
a conservation situation on this as usual
I'd like to know if it's going to be

2146
02:57:50,38 --> 02:57:53,01
holding up but we can so it's

2147
02:57:53,02 --> 02:57:57,07
a request now it's best you know it
gets between now and next year means.

2148
02:58:00,12 --> 02:58:02,03
I'll figure it out to

2149
02:58:02,36 --> 02:58:09,19
a remote of the there might have known and
we discussed or threaten. Any further

2150
02:58:09,20 --> 02:58:16,06
discussion Roll Call plans no to yes yes

2151
02:58:16,98 --> 02:58:21,94
yes yes. Yes yes.

2152
02:58:24,59 --> 02:58:31,54
Yes. This is on second
reading this is so. That the

2153
02:58:31,55 --> 02:58:37,60
result of the by any Eunice will watch
unfold on two zero. One thirteen and said

2154
02:58:37,61 --> 02:58:41,34
persons we declared elected
to such offices for

2155
02:58:41,35 --> 02:58:46,15
a brief second we have read Avery to thank
you in the way of writing I wish it was

2156
02:58:46,16 --> 02:58:52,26
a long reading last time the motions made
by consultations are second second. And

2157
02:58:52,27 --> 02:58:58,05
a discussion on the. Tamils
misgivings Yes. That's

2158
02:58:58,06 --> 02:58:59,70
a freeman Daniels as

2159
02:58:59,71 --> 02:59:06,34
a miscue noted. All those in favor and

2160
02:59:06,35 --> 02:59:12,60
I you know either broke or
all. Yeah let's do it once

2161
02:59:13,27 --> 02:59:19,23
yes it is yes yes. All right I.

2162
02:59:20,35 --> 02:59:27,06
Know Yes yes. Yes yes yes yes OK

2163
02:59:27,07 --> 02:59:33,70
that we. Turn to requestion do
nine ten together and they do sex

2164
02:59:33,98 --> 02:59:40,28
they go together in the second good
looking favor when I do I. Post.

2165
02:59:42,02 --> 02:59:47,65
This is we want to restrain dogs between
January first and twenty four teams which

2166
02:59:47,66 --> 02:59:52,35
number thirty first twenty point.
And then also a want to catch

2167
02:59:52,36 --> 02:59:57,09
a confined dogs January first twenty
fourteen and two for one second.

2168
02:59:59,71 --> 03:00:06,16
Discussion about dog restraint.
Those in favor of police AI

2169
03:00:06,74 --> 03:00:10,70
I'm appalled. I'm hoping the want to roll.

2170
03:00:15,13 --> 03:00:16,95
This will motion movement Levin told as

2171
03:00:16,96 --> 03:00:22,24
a group eleven twelve motions made to second.
All those in favor of moving them as

2172
03:00:22,25 --> 03:00:25,99
Ripley said I right. No actually have

2173
03:00:26,00 --> 03:00:32,21
a question yes. To be on the hearings
investigations and right but let's celebrate

2174
03:00:32,22 --> 03:00:37,75
them it's our. Way then I cross Everly and
I were rich track that got it all right

2175
03:00:37,76 --> 03:00:44,33
so the motion we will do you will
be is one of the time that. This

2176
03:00:44,76 --> 03:00:49,67
this is. This really tabled this is adopt

2177
03:00:49,68 --> 03:00:53,27
a council committees as from August
fifteenth two thousand and thirteen there's

2178
03:00:53,28 --> 03:00:58,09
Theobald the summer of it which might note
is today twenty thirteen hours reading

2179
03:00:58,91 --> 03:01:04,06
up the motion it's also moved. Into means.

2180
03:01:07,99 --> 03:01:13,16
Everything when it. Comes
to the UN or ever come on.

2181
03:01:15,03 --> 03:01:19,25
Concert items. From make this
breach due to the late hour.

2182
03:01:22,05 --> 03:01:28,24
So we have me had this back on June
twentieth and. I'm glad that we

2183
03:01:28,68 --> 03:01:35,63
voted we voted to to table to this point
because. Now every councilor said

2184
03:01:35,64 --> 03:01:40,54
almost six months actually six months to
to look this over and hopefully give it

2185
03:01:40,55 --> 03:01:45,75
some consideration I've spoken to most
councilors maybe even all councillors about

2186
03:01:45,76 --> 03:01:52,38
some of the changes. And. I
also draft an executive summary

2187
03:01:52,39 --> 03:01:57,41
back in back in June which I hope people
took the time to read because I want to

2188
03:01:57,42 --> 03:02:01,73
explain the reasoning behind some of
the changes and again give councillors

2189
03:02:01,74 --> 03:02:07,13
adequate time to consider them. It's upon
the strong recommendation of the city

2190
03:02:07,14 --> 03:02:12,54
solicitor that we remove these from ordinance
and move them into as an order into

2191
03:02:12,55 --> 03:02:18,46
the rules but also the council
has expressed. That it

2192
03:02:19,64 --> 03:02:23,91
wish to also take this as an opportunity
to consider middies the various functions

2193
03:02:23,92 --> 03:02:30,28
and if there's any way we can create
efficiencies by joining some of the committees

2194
03:02:30,29 --> 03:02:36,56
that maybe don't do as much work typically
as some of the other committees do. And

2195
03:02:36,57 --> 03:02:42,00
I haven't seen as of yet. Any amendments
but I'd be happy to consider it.

2196
03:02:43,41 --> 03:02:43,62
Just

2197
03:02:43,63 --> 03:02:50,19
a few brief points from the from the executive
summary. Again these were rewritten

2198
03:02:50,36 --> 03:02:55,71
to comply with the separation of powers
as delineated in the new charter and the

2199
03:02:55,86 --> 03:02:59,84
the the powers and duties section is taken
almost word for word from the city's

2200
03:02:59,97 --> 03:03:05,83
charter. Most of the committees have been
reformatted but the number of councillors

2201
03:03:05,85 --> 03:03:10,42
on each committee have changed and the areas
of work mostly changed stayed the same

2202
03:03:10,42 --> 03:03:12,96
. I'll discuss

2203
03:03:12,97 --> 03:03:18,04
a couple of the changes.
Particularly. I made

2204
03:03:18,05 --> 03:03:23,05
a recommendation to merge ordinance rules
and orders with appointments evaluations

2205
03:03:23,06 --> 03:03:23,81
and this is for

2206
03:03:24,26 --> 03:03:28,78
a couple different reasons for one
appointments doesn't do evaluations any longer

2207
03:03:29,26 --> 03:03:34,98
and we can't do the separation of powers
as limited by the new charter and so that

2208
03:03:35,03 --> 03:03:40,45
that committee is left with one function
one very important function. But being

2209
03:03:40,46 --> 03:03:43,93
that that committee now only has one
function I thought it might make sense to

2210
03:03:43,94 --> 03:03:48,79
merge that with the ordinance committee
because the ordinance committee chose this

2211
03:03:48,80 --> 03:03:52,36
year to do away with one of its functions
and that's the function of claim so that

2212
03:03:52,88 --> 03:03:59,54
that committee now has some room to
take that over. And I also think that

2213
03:03:59,68 --> 03:04:04,48
both member bodies are in charge of enforcing
ordnances and so it makes sense that

2214
03:04:04,48 --> 03:04:10,94
. That does seem committee.
Be charged with doing

2215
03:04:10,98 --> 03:04:15,86
ordinances as well as appointments because
these this committee could have some

2216
03:04:15,87 --> 03:04:21,73
influence on how most of them are bodies
interpret ordinance. Cultural and

2217
03:04:21,74 --> 03:04:26,42
recreation culture recreation and social
services Veterans' Affairs or recommended

2218
03:04:26,43 --> 03:04:31,77
this merger. Because as I wrote I believe
both these committees have important

2219
03:04:31,78 --> 03:04:37,58
business to conduct but for the most part
they perform review they perform reviews

2220
03:04:37,59 --> 03:04:40,92
and hearings with community
groups they typically don't have

2221
03:04:41,10 --> 03:04:45,57
a high number of ordinances orders again
referred to the committee to these

2222
03:04:45,58 --> 03:04:50,23
committees so I thought to make more sense
it would be more efficient if they were

2223
03:04:50,24 --> 03:04:56,91
merged. Also. I made

2224
03:04:56,91 --> 03:05:01,58
a recommendation that economic development
housing in land use that community

2225
03:05:01,59 --> 03:05:07,91
development block grant. Funds proposals
be reviewed in this committee and the

2226
03:05:07,93 --> 03:05:14,33
reason why is because. There are some
there are generally two groups of

2227
03:05:14,34 --> 03:05:15,24
C.D.G.

2228
03:05:15,24 --> 03:05:21,82
. Types one has to do with social
services and one has to do with

2229
03:05:21,83 --> 03:05:27,92
more housing economic development land
use and infrastructure. Needs So I think

2230
03:05:27,93 --> 03:05:31,59
those are make more sense to be reviewed
by the Economic Development Committee and

2231
03:05:31,60 --> 03:05:35,15
the ones that pertain to social services
would make more sense if reviewed by the

2232
03:05:35,16 --> 03:05:38,71
Social Services Committee which will
now be merged that gives the mayor's

2233
03:05:38,72 --> 03:05:45,61
administration more flexibility on who
to present to based on. What C D G C D B

2234
03:05:45,62 --> 03:05:51,93
G proposals will be more relevant. Which
will be more relevant and in which

2235
03:05:51,94 --> 03:05:58,06
committee. And so those are some
of the so those are my basic

2236
03:05:58,07 --> 03:06:04,99
recommendations and again this
was an attempt to sue to take up

2237
03:06:05,03 --> 03:06:09,80
with the solicitor suggested we do is
Fars moving these into the rules and to

2238
03:06:09,81 --> 03:06:14,42
create efficiencies and review the
council committees wholesale so.

2239
03:06:16,99 --> 03:06:19,24
That's it I'm happy to
discuss further Thank you.

2240
03:06:23,50 --> 03:06:29,52
Yes I talk with consular
Adams in regards to. My

2241
03:06:29,53 --> 03:06:35,72
concerns and how he has it
written Committee on cultural

2242
03:06:35,76 --> 03:06:41,77
recreation veterans and social
services. And I also questioned him

2243
03:06:42,70 --> 03:06:49,39
exactly how busy Were you with
your committee on culture

2244
03:06:50,36 --> 03:06:53,08
and you did state to me with

2245
03:06:53,09 --> 03:06:59,74
a laugh week in regards to well you were
very seldom busy with that committee

2246
03:07:00,40 --> 03:07:07,15
I have great concerns coming in to
social services and better in some fairs

2247
03:07:07,19 --> 03:07:13,45
because we are booked for the whole here
except for one month and August and.

2248
03:07:14,97 --> 03:07:21,35
I don't help on that hearing out but I do
you know with Veterans Affairs we have

2249
03:07:21,36 --> 03:07:27,92
Steve Connors comes and also we're like
we work together with the veterans consul

2250
03:07:28,33 --> 03:07:34,00
in Northampton sow I wouldn't want
any interference with that either.

2251
03:07:35,27 --> 03:07:36,91
I was just wondering if there was

2252
03:07:36,92 --> 03:07:43,84
a possibility that this could go
into. Youth Commission because

2253
03:07:43,85 --> 03:07:50,41
if you're telling me that you're really
not that busy and that committee.

2254
03:07:51,56 --> 03:07:57,74
Why not Guth commission what you have
students throughout our school systems that

2255
03:07:57,78 --> 03:08:04,15
are intercultural into our and so forth
like that. I don't I don't think that.

2256
03:08:05,28 --> 03:08:12,18
Merging culture recreation and and.
And the Youth Commission. Would make

2257
03:08:12,19 --> 03:08:15,37
sense to the Youth Commission maybe
maybe the chair of that can explain

2258
03:08:15,38 --> 03:08:20,50
a little more than I am but also I mean I
mean these are my recommendations and if

2259
03:08:20,51 --> 03:08:25,66
you want to move that feel free I mean I
I simply this back in June and I haven't

2260
03:08:25,67 --> 03:08:27,43
heard until our discussion

2261
03:08:27,47 --> 03:08:32,60
a couple days ago on city clerk's office
I haven't I haven't heard of any and if

2262
03:08:32,61 --> 03:08:37,29
any proposed changes and I haven't seen any
written motions to that effect or oral

2263
03:08:37,61 --> 03:08:39,95
and so this this process
have been going on for

2264
03:08:39,96 --> 03:08:44,25
a long time these are my recommendations
and again I've given my explanations and

2265
03:08:44,26 --> 03:08:48,76
reasoning for back in June and I think
and I actually do think that culture

2266
03:08:48,77 --> 03:08:49,26
recreation

2267
03:08:49,27 --> 03:08:53,36
a social services in veterans' affairs
makes sense to merge because we do need to

2268
03:08:53,37 --> 03:08:59,03
keep in mind that under our new charter.
We can't compel non-profits to to appear

2269
03:08:59,04 --> 03:09:05,99
before us and so. Social services A may

2270
03:09:06,04 --> 03:09:11,70
may find itself not as busy as it as it
once was and also you can if you can. You

2271
03:09:11,70 --> 03:09:14,27
can. You can slot

2272
03:09:14,28 --> 03:09:16,69
a time right in there for example
to hear from the Arts Council for

2273
03:09:16,70 --> 03:09:22,93
a half hour or even less or whatever or
whatever other groups are under the purview

2274
03:09:22,94 --> 03:09:28,83
of culture and Recreation cook recreational
services and. And if and if you feel

2275
03:09:28,91 --> 03:09:32,08
the feeling overloaded been you
know you have to hear from them on

2276
03:09:32,09 --> 03:09:34,21
a regular basis you can
hear from them once

2277
03:09:34,22 --> 03:09:37,28
a term rather than Once you
know quarterly or once

2278
03:09:37,29 --> 03:09:44,11
a year so. I do think that this this
merger makes sense thank you. And

2279
03:09:44,12 --> 03:09:44,32
just

2280
03:09:44,33 --> 03:09:48,78
a point of information the youth the youth
commission. I'm not the chair actually

2281
03:09:48,79 --> 03:09:49,38
there I'm not even

2282
03:09:49,39 --> 03:09:54,34
a voting member on the council yes on
similar to the old structure the disability

2283
03:09:54,35 --> 03:10:00,18
was OK I do know consular Tacey did bring
it up at social services and veterans

2284
03:10:00,19 --> 03:10:06,48
affairs and I. Can say that
you had concerns about

2285
03:10:06,99 --> 03:10:11,08
the cultural recreation being
placed in this committee.

2286
03:10:14,16 --> 03:10:19,40
I had. Concerns about not
having time for veterans.

2287
03:10:22,63 --> 03:10:29,53
It seems like. I'm not convinced that
this is the worst. Scenario there

2288
03:10:30,37 --> 03:10:32,74
we have our committee is booked for

2289
03:10:32,75 --> 03:10:38,75
a year right now Book three year in advance
how many times do we see we have the

2290
03:10:38,76 --> 03:10:43,04
veterans Council before us and how many
times do we have the same ones that come in

2291
03:10:43,04 --> 03:10:48,03
constantly all the time Time after time
and it's some kind of I'm curious as to

2292
03:10:48,04 --> 03:10:52,69
whether or not there are if these committees
really have very little to do. The

2293
03:10:52,70 --> 03:10:58,30
cultural. That's what answer to me said
very little and we have to be careful here

2294
03:10:58,31 --> 03:11:02,59
because we're actually now asking each other
questions and we're not conducting So

2295
03:11:02,60 --> 03:11:08,64
if if you could question the thing because
actually comes from the mundanes was

2296
03:11:08,65 --> 03:11:13,48
next to speak so you were your I mean
you know it was fine you were answering

2297
03:11:13,49 --> 03:11:18,22
a question that was directed to you so that
was fair. And we'll get back to you on

2298
03:11:18,23 --> 03:11:24,100
that. Consulate Marja you don't know your
questions right now are I I did talk

2299
03:11:25,01 --> 03:11:31,07
with consular Adamson regards to that
I would like to see the name of that

2300
03:11:31,08 --> 03:11:37,64
committee go social services Veterans
Affairs and cultural and recreation. Move.

2301
03:11:40,40 --> 03:11:46,65
That's the proposed amendments actually
that's why all those in favor I

2302
03:11:47,09 --> 03:11:51,97
post. Are counsel for him and Dale's.

2303
03:11:54,28 --> 03:11:58,50
Briefly served on the cultural social
services and veterans affairs and I was the

2304
03:11:58,51 --> 03:12:03,78
chair of culture and rec. I think that.

2305
03:12:05,55 --> 03:12:07,17
The social services there is fairs is

2306
03:12:07,18 --> 03:12:13,74
a busy committee but I also but in
culture recreation is not we did

2307
03:12:13,75 --> 03:12:20,06
a lot of soul searching actually in this
past term. Regarding you know whether we

2308
03:12:20,07 --> 03:12:22,23
should. Continue on as

2309
03:12:22,24 --> 03:12:28,29
a committee because most of the
time we were. Were doing work that.

2310
03:12:29,42 --> 03:12:35,03
Was. Not you know obviously usually not
it was just informational work and all

2311
03:12:35,04 --> 03:12:37,01
valuable we really didn't provide

2312
03:12:37,02 --> 03:12:42,41
a really great forum but we decided to keep
the committee and rewrite it and it was

2313
03:12:42,42 --> 03:12:49,28
passed earlier this term and but really
our our docket wasn't very full and I

2314
03:12:49,29 --> 03:12:55,67
think that merging this one with.
Social services and Veterans Affairs.

2315
03:12:57,49 --> 03:13:03,76
Would would be a good idea because it
would. It would take a busy Committee and

2316
03:13:03,77 --> 03:13:10,10
a not very busy one and combine them into
the one that would quite frequently have

2317
03:13:10,11 --> 03:13:16,05
all have. Social service work
to do but but. Often not have

2318
03:13:16,06 --> 03:13:18,73
a lot of heart related work to
do so I think that would be

2319
03:13:18,74 --> 03:13:25,13
a good concert Spector was an excellent
concert you know. We did we just.

2320
03:13:26,29 --> 03:13:31,28
We just blew me all we do is think that
will never yield the floor but I wanted to

2321
03:13:31,37 --> 03:13:36,60
to counter Carney and then conversation
I'd like to ask. Thank you we were just

2322
03:13:36,61 --> 03:13:41,62
handed this piece of. The
charter and so maybe as

2323
03:13:41,63 --> 03:13:46,94
a point of order because my close read of
this section that we just indicates that

2324
03:13:47,67 --> 03:13:54,40
most of this conversation may be
moot until. We have brought in as

2325
03:13:54,55 --> 03:14:00,98
as is. Required by the legislation here the
persons who were elected in the twenty

2326
03:14:00,99 --> 03:14:07,66
thirteen city election who should be involved
in the discussion of the rules under

2327
03:14:07,67 --> 03:14:13,20
which they will operate starting
January first as I read this closely.

2328
03:14:15,45 --> 03:14:20,06
I appreciate all the work that. Consular
Adams has done and all the work that we

2329
03:14:20,07 --> 03:14:25,49
get looking through this and the ordinance
committee but my suggestion as I read

2330
03:14:25,50 --> 03:14:32,36
this section closely is that we may take
this up in the next session yes the new

2331
03:14:32,37 --> 03:14:37,67
councillors who will be operating under
these rules to do and I'll ask the

2332
03:14:37,68 --> 03:14:44,32
consequence for Adams. And I for
this question to him. Earlier

2333
03:14:44,33 --> 03:14:49,46
today and it is it's in as he pointed out
as worthy of deliberation and you want to

2334
03:14:49,47 --> 03:14:56,45
address that I read this as pertain to
council rules not committee structures. I

2335
03:14:56,46 --> 03:15:00,20
don't I don't read this section as pertaining
to structures of committees but only

2336
03:15:00,21 --> 03:15:05,10
for council rules but the other thing is
that going we do need something to be in

2337
03:15:05,11 --> 03:15:10,67
place for the new council because if if
if this isn't passed then we have no

2338
03:15:10,68 --> 03:15:15,81
committees I mean the next thing we're
voting on is to is do is to eliminate all

2339
03:15:15,82 --> 03:15:21,05
the committees by ordinance entirely so if
that passes as was the recommendation of

2340
03:15:21,06 --> 03:15:26,55
the city solicitor and we don't do this
we have no committees and in the end and

2341
03:15:26,56 --> 03:15:28,41
the next council president can't appoint

2342
03:15:28,42 --> 03:15:32,39
a counselor to any committee because we
will have none so so I do think we should

2343
03:15:32,40 --> 03:15:35,69
vote on this and again I don't think my
just my reading is that this applies to

2344
03:15:35,70 --> 03:15:40,26
rules I don't see anything in here about
council committees but if the friendship

2345
03:15:40,68 --> 03:15:44,66
then I just I'm curious because what we're
doing is we're taking in putting into

2346
03:15:45,48 --> 03:15:52,29
rules the now these are or this
accounts for. OK So this is

2347
03:15:52,30 --> 03:15:58,28
so the establishment of committees isn't
is in no way I thought we were writing

2348
03:15:58,29 --> 03:16:02,86
that we were taking the committees of
witnesses and putting him into rules putting

2349
03:16:02,87 --> 03:16:08,56
them into I want some rules if they respond
please when I read this I read them yes

2350
03:16:08,60 --> 03:16:11,70
I mean even if these are place in the
rules I read the rules that govern the

2351
03:16:11,71 --> 03:16:15,75
conduct of business of the city council
I read that to mean our council or some

2352
03:16:15,76 --> 03:16:21,52
justice it was of the things of procedure
of governance rather than other rule

2353
03:16:21,71 --> 03:16:24,89
whether rules or orders pertaining to the
committee structure that does just my

2354
03:16:24,90 --> 03:16:29,67
reading of it. Also Specter was next but
contraband you want to be get can I just

2355
03:16:29,68 --> 03:16:30,12
be to

2356
03:16:30,23 --> 03:16:36,34
a two issues number one. I remember this
in it would an ordinance back in May or

2357
03:16:36,35 --> 03:16:41,87
whatever whenever it was. That we were we
had some debate about whether these were

2358
03:16:41,88 --> 03:16:48,57
councils and we we clarified the language
to make it make them Council orders but

2359
03:16:48,58 --> 03:16:53,96
they would be placed in the same booklet
basically that the rules are in but they

2360
03:16:53,97 --> 03:16:59,51
would be orders. So that I actually think
it says that in that order and the second

2361
03:16:59,52 --> 03:17:04,88
one is this it doesn't not seem I agree
with Councillor Adams reading but this

2362
03:17:04,89 --> 03:17:11,02
seems very cumbersome and I suggest we use.
Section eleven of the same section the

2363
03:17:11,03 --> 03:17:16,56
charges to extend this to extend the
transitional provisions until the first until

2364
03:17:16,57 --> 03:17:22,75
January when what will happen is the
council will vote on the rules. Comes with

2365
03:17:22,76 --> 03:17:27,54
Specter was next and then down to Mark I
will yield until we settle this because

2366
03:17:27,55 --> 03:17:31,14
you're all about discussion got it if you
feel like we settled this particular

2367
03:17:31,15 --> 03:17:37,65
discussion I copy down some of it and in
fact of the first thing whatever we do now

2368
03:17:38,38 --> 03:17:42,96
to set the house in order the first thing
the new council does is adopt its rules

2369
03:17:42,97 --> 03:17:48,11
for the next session so whatever if we set
things in in place the way we think they

2370
03:17:48,12 --> 03:17:54,49
should be now the new council could amend
them as soon as they start so we're

2371
03:17:54,50 --> 03:17:58,46
saying hey we you know in hindsight after
this session with the new charters the

2372
03:17:58,47 --> 03:18:03,27
way we think it should be for the new
council in their first meeting to decide in

2373
03:18:03,28 --> 03:18:07,67
its infinite wisdom to just change them
so whatever we do it out is subject to

2374
03:18:07,68 --> 03:18:13,89
change by the new council want to get to.
Concert also my reading of this and the

2375
03:18:13,90 --> 03:18:20,43
organizational week meeting we have.
Satisfies this is long as it's called by the

2376
03:18:20,52 --> 03:18:24,56
most senior member of council and for
me the most senior in a senior N.H.

2377
03:18:24,61 --> 03:18:29,50
Member of the council but I think that
I think I think just that vote at the

2378
03:18:29,51 --> 03:18:30,65
organizational meeting adopted

2379
03:18:30,66 --> 03:18:37,50
a cancerous satisfies. So if
we can conclude this part of

2380
03:18:37,51 --> 03:18:40,54
this question maybe we're going
to go back to that because.

2381
03:18:46,80 --> 03:18:51,03
My only my only concern is that we conform
to the conditions laid out by the

2382
03:18:51,04 --> 03:18:54,17
charter because we don't trump the charter
charter trumps us so I want to can

2383
03:18:54,18 --> 03:18:57,94
leaders we can just use sectional Levon
of this of I see you actually your point

2384
03:18:57,95 --> 03:19:03,45
I'm sexual I'm in this and I'll read that
without all the subsections the Marin the

2385
03:19:03,46 --> 03:19:04,61
city council and office

2386
03:19:04,62 --> 03:19:08,77
a TA at the time at time the charter is
adopted and the mayor and successor of the

2387
03:19:08,78 --> 03:19:14,67
city council. Elected under the charter may
adopt measures that clarify confirm or

2388
03:19:14,68 --> 03:19:19,26
extend any of the transitional provisions
in order that the transition may be made

2389
03:19:19,27 --> 03:19:23,46
in the most successful expeditious manner
possible provided that such authority

2390
03:19:23,47 --> 03:19:28,20
shall not extend beyond five years and you
might my point Mr President is is that

2391
03:19:28,34 --> 03:19:32,70
we do want to set up council I'm sorry
the future Council want to set up its

2392
03:19:32,71 --> 03:19:37,60
committees as quickly as possible and not
deliberate and they can deliberate but

2393
03:19:37,61 --> 03:19:42,23
not be forced to deliberate over the council's
Council and you know you're not you

2394
03:19:42,24 --> 03:19:49,10
know I'm ready to leverage this
time for you with. Trying to I'm

2395
03:19:49,11 --> 03:19:53,36
trying to remember where the chips are here
comes from Murphy then counsel Specter

2396
03:19:53,37 --> 03:19:59,45
you can weigh in on this one of those and
you know when when. Both the ordinance

2397
03:19:59,46 --> 03:20:04,53
Committee and the committee that was formed
to bring everything in conformance with

2398
03:20:04,54 --> 03:20:08,99
a new charter the solicitor was having it
heavily involved in all of that and in

2399
03:20:09,00 --> 03:20:13,96
fact provided lots of guidance and made
sure that everything we did conform with

2400
03:20:13,97 --> 03:20:18,60
the new charter so I can imagine this
process that was set up and supervised by

2401
03:20:18,61 --> 03:20:23,55
a listener would be going forward or the
solicitor felt that it violated charter

2402
03:20:23,74 --> 03:20:27,75
since the solicitor with both with
ordinance and with with the committee that

2403
03:20:27,76 --> 03:20:31,51
revised ordinances to bring them in conformance
with the charter or not or just get

2404
03:20:31,52 --> 03:20:36,29
rid of them as ordinances and make them
orders or rules or whatever so I'm

2405
03:20:36,30 --> 03:20:39,47
comfortable we're OK just because of the
involvement of the solicitor through that

2406
03:20:39,48 --> 03:20:44,19
whole process Council Specter your dog
eared and I'm very comfortable going to

2407
03:20:44,20 --> 03:20:47,94
speak to the actual question that other
people want to jump on the process again

2408
03:20:47,95 --> 03:20:53,66
find I want to thank consular Adams for
doing for doing the work on this I support

2409
03:20:53,67 --> 03:20:57,92
all the changes that you've talked about
I mean it was one was one committee

2410
03:20:57,93 --> 03:21:01,59
rolling the appointments committee into
ordinance committee it was hard to see have

2411
03:21:01,60 --> 03:21:04,72
been on that committee ever since I've been
on the council and the chair of it for

2412
03:21:04,73 --> 03:21:09,20
years says committee I really enjoy it think
we do great work but I think it makes

2413
03:21:09,21 --> 03:21:14,80
sense. To roll it in to some other committee
and I agree I don't think there's any

2414
03:21:14,81 --> 03:21:20,22
other place to do that besides ordinates
Committee which as you point out their

2415
03:21:20,23 --> 03:21:24,39
workload is going down some I think
the fact that we may make some of the

2416
03:21:24,40 --> 03:21:26,23
committees a little juicy or give them

2417
03:21:26,24 --> 03:21:30,05
a little more work is the counterbalance
that as they're going to be fewer

2418
03:21:30,06 --> 03:21:34,44
committees to fill that and I think
we've in the past we've often stretched

2419
03:21:34,45 --> 03:21:38,73
ourselves pretty thin and start looking
at each concert having four committees or

2420
03:21:38,74 --> 03:21:43,44
more and that now we're consolidating them
so though that those committees that are

2421
03:21:43,45 --> 03:21:44,22
left might have

2422
03:21:44,23 --> 03:21:48,14
a little more work I think it will be more
efficient I think it makes sense so I

2423
03:21:48,15 --> 03:21:53,58
support those changes thank you for the
dialogues that we've had in between the

2424
03:21:53,59 --> 03:21:59,47
shit the working. Concert
and also it sounds. From

2425
03:21:59,48 --> 03:22:00,74
a standing councillor Tacey there's

2426
03:22:00,75 --> 03:22:07,01
a lot of duplication of or not to the
occasion but certainly. Veterans agencies

2427
03:22:07,02 --> 03:22:13,69
appear. Multiple times to
severe as perhaps you could

2428
03:22:14,65 --> 03:22:21,40
if you're if you're concerned that you
don't have enough. To fit in some of the

2429
03:22:21,60 --> 03:22:28,10
some of the Anthonys and join recreational
services. Maybe you could. Not Call

2430
03:22:28,14 --> 03:22:32,62
maybe you could cost some of the same you
could call the individual entities and it

2431
03:22:32,62 --> 03:22:38,95
. Was the year conflict that I think also
maybe some entities that we call and

2432
03:22:39,06 --> 03:22:43,40
might be able to respond. Be asking for
informational things that could actually

2433
03:22:43,41 --> 03:22:48,34
come in the form of an e-mail.
Things such as that so.

2434
03:22:52,70 --> 03:22:59,06
Before we before anybody even leaves soldiers
or civilians affairs we're scheduling

2435
03:22:59,07 --> 03:23:04,87
them again to come back or the old for the
chair is as I'm going to come back in

2436
03:23:04,91 --> 03:23:06,61
again in

2437
03:23:06,62 --> 03:23:13,24
a couple of months or three months
or who knows maybe six months. And

2438
03:23:13,25 --> 03:23:19,33
maybe maybe could be able to be done to
see. You know if if I could speak to

2439
03:23:19,34 --> 03:23:26,03
a point three flee of the. The disposition
in the in the agenda. Council of

2440
03:23:26,04 --> 03:23:30,78
barges been as consultation I can attest
has been very thorough about this novel

2441
03:23:30,79 --> 03:23:32,42
shing in advance

2442
03:23:32,75 --> 03:23:38,70
a full agenda. If Council
the barge but the next

2443
03:23:39,97 --> 03:23:44,72
if Council barges in on that committee
then the committee is chaired by someone

2444
03:23:44,73 --> 03:23:48,31
else the disposition changes and this
is true of Cultural Affairs because

2445
03:23:48,32 --> 03:23:54,34
essentially is contracted to mention we're
we're inviting not requiring non-profits

2446
03:23:54,35 --> 03:23:59,54
come present before us. Is for informational
purposes in fact actually social

2447
03:23:59,55 --> 03:24:03,09
services first of all
we're required to have

2448
03:24:03,10 --> 03:24:09,95
a veteran's. Committee by mass general
law. And only required to be once

2449
03:24:09,96 --> 03:24:16,92
a year as I recall social services
back in the day when is it ten

2450
03:24:16,96 --> 03:24:21,33
twelve years ago when we revised
council committees again.

2451
03:24:23,63 --> 03:24:26,38
Social services actually evolved out of

2452
03:24:26,39 --> 03:24:32,45
a review committee for C B G grants.
All the participants used to be

2453
03:24:32,46 --> 03:24:37,56
a citizens group and then some councillors
those councillors then became enfolded

2454
03:24:37,57 --> 03:24:44,40
into the city that. Would Council
the barges done is call the

2455
03:24:44,41 --> 03:24:50,02
number of people who are traditional
applicants for city B G grants if that forty

2456
03:24:50,03 --> 03:24:56,56
is transferred over head low suddenly I'm
sorry I don't go complete I did OK yeah

2457
03:24:57,15 --> 03:25:02,76
I thought only. Only partially all the
social service elements of C.B.D.

2458
03:25:02,78 --> 03:25:06,99
Will continue OK So the projects the
sidewalks of the in the in those things that

2459
03:25:07,01 --> 03:25:12,02
go to and which is seems wholly appropriate
but the but the fact is that so as what

2460
03:25:12,02 --> 03:25:16,95
I'm trying to do is lay out essentially
historical of. Evolvement of these

2461
03:25:16,97 --> 03:25:23,82
committees and the committee in the
business that we do is basically Cabalist

2462
03:25:23,83 --> 03:25:28,15
by the chair and if you have a chair who
is it does not work as hard as Council

2463
03:25:28,16 --> 03:25:32,26
a barge in this respect you could actually
have end up with another committee that

2464
03:25:32,80 --> 03:25:38,19
ends up like cultural affairs when there
is no way well I don't want to there's no

2465
03:25:38,20 --> 03:25:43,65
it. Isn't It's not here nothing I mean I
don't recall anything being referred out

2466
03:25:43,66 --> 03:25:48,94
of the office council floor to cultural
affairs or to social services I don't

2467
03:25:48,98 --> 03:25:49,75
there's never been

2468
03:25:49,76 --> 03:25:55,16
a referral to my recollection to be
deliberated and come back with it so

2469
03:25:55,16 --> 03:26:00,71
essentially the councillors or the people
who sit on those committees are the only

2470
03:26:00,72 --> 03:26:04,63
people who are aware of the circumstances
and the issues and the topics discussed

2471
03:26:04,79 --> 03:26:09,21
but doesn't ever. It doesn't expand back
it doesn't do what council committees

2472
03:26:09,22 --> 03:26:13,50
should do in that respect because the
consequent these are to serve the consulate

2473
03:26:13,51 --> 03:26:18,90
large and expand its knowledge improve
its deliberative powers. And those

2474
03:26:19,03 --> 03:26:24,74
committees don't do that for better or for
worse that makes us smarter because we

2475
03:26:24,75 --> 03:26:29,12
participate and we're very work but in fact
I bet the three of us are going to cite

2476
03:26:29,98 --> 03:26:32,94
chapter and verse charters
for all the five A one C.

2477
03:26:32,95 --> 03:26:38,46
Threesome the city north of them provide
social services but that doesn't serve the

2478
03:26:38,47 --> 03:26:45,44
remainder of the body and and. As
such is not doing what it should

2479
03:26:45,48 --> 03:26:51,77
do as by my account anyway what committees
do Holyoke. I know they have what they

2480
03:26:51,78 --> 03:26:55,61
have like eighteen counties or something
crazy that they have less committees than

2481
03:26:55,62 --> 03:27:01,14
we do in fact actually is I looked up
throughout the region every deliberative body

2482
03:27:01,49 --> 03:27:06,71
in the state practically has has substantially
less committee meetings committees

2483
03:27:06,72 --> 03:27:12,35
than we do we. I always felt we never go
enough credit for the amount of time that

2484
03:27:12,36 --> 03:27:18,50
we devote and dedicate to the subcommittees
and other groups and they have changed

2485
03:27:18,51 --> 03:27:21,99
over time but their purpose they have
to have a purpose they have to have

2486
03:27:22,00 --> 03:27:26,41
a distinct purpose that has relevance to
this council and the and this is where in

2487
03:27:26,42 --> 03:27:31,55
this and I do appreciate councillor Adams
I actually asked him to do this and like

2488
03:27:31,56 --> 03:27:36,50
an idiot he said yes and I cannot tell you
the amount of work that he's put in this

2489
03:27:36,51 --> 03:27:41,68
is I am enormously grateful and the reason
I asked him was because of my concern

2490
03:27:42,68 --> 03:27:48,19
about the fact that some of our committees
are not necessarily doing what we

2491
03:27:48,20 --> 03:27:55,11
established committees for so the accent
we're doing in some sense is actually

2492
03:27:55,13 --> 03:28:02,09
making bigger acronyms community committees
with bigger or longer. Acronyms would

2493
03:28:02,10 --> 03:28:03,65
be S.S.

2494
03:28:03,86 --> 03:28:10,54
V A C C C C and and. But

2495
03:28:12,14 --> 03:28:18,99
the problem still stands so that's my
concern. The concert is I think but you know

2496
03:28:19,00 --> 03:28:22,27
we have we have like this
tapestry comes in several times

2497
03:28:22,28 --> 03:28:29,04
a year you know they come in once well
we've had. Services that tapestry

2498
03:28:29,05 --> 03:28:31,57
instance of human service now come in once

2499
03:28:31,58 --> 03:28:36,05
a year. Now so you've been on you've been
on the committee for four for four years

2500
03:28:36,06 --> 03:28:42,21
so it feels like maybe it feels
that way. And. Told her so

2501
03:28:42,91 --> 03:28:47,23
but then we'll just have to move the
process it or I just want to see where the

2502
03:28:47,24 --> 03:28:52,32
rest of the council is in terms of seems
like the discussion is focused around once

2503
03:28:52,36 --> 03:28:56,72
one piece of this are we in agreement or
there are controversies around the other

2504
03:28:56,73 --> 03:29:02,77
issues wrapping appointments at the
ordinance. Or the other suggestions that were

2505
03:29:02,78 --> 03:29:09,11
made or is this the one this is. The one
sticking point just for me this seems to

2506
03:29:09,12 --> 03:29:10,57
be the one place where I just want to get

2507
03:29:10,58 --> 03:29:17,45
a sense of the rest that comes to
actually have stuff for them or bad. Yeah

2508
03:29:17,64 --> 03:29:23,25
I mean you know looking looking for
efficiencies It seems to me that the committees

2509
03:29:23,26 --> 03:29:28,14
that they are productive as far as the
need that they fill and the fact is that

2510
03:29:28,18 --> 03:29:33,94
it's actually it's actually
just a. It's a it's

2511
03:29:33,95 --> 03:29:40,89
a privilege that the mayor asks the
council to help review. C.D.B.

2512
03:29:40,90 --> 03:29:47,22
G. Grant it is completely within the
mayor's authority to assign C.D.B.

2513
03:29:48,13 --> 03:29:51,05
And so it's a privilege that
we have and we and we have

2514
03:29:51,06 --> 03:29:54,35
a process to review it I think
that splitting the process

2515
03:29:54,36 --> 03:29:58,81
a little bit it's help aisle and I also
think that the they do good work and I

2516
03:29:58,82 --> 03:30:02,79
think that. At the end of the day it's

2517
03:30:02,80 --> 03:30:08,92
a privilege that that. And that.
These some of these organizations

2518
03:30:09,70 --> 03:30:14,16
they're not compelled to come before them
so you know the dissent drop the pay the

2519
03:30:14,17 --> 03:30:18,06
workload drop dramatically I just want
to go back to my more general statement

2520
03:30:18,07 --> 03:30:23,02
which is we're back to is is this the one
area that I'm the second oldest and so I

2521
03:30:23,03 --> 03:30:27,24
get tired I'm not the old the so I wouldn't
be the one to convene the meeting but

2522
03:30:27,77 --> 03:30:32,09
I'm just wondering if we're agreed on all
of this except for this one place which I

2523
03:30:32,10 --> 03:30:35,09
also agree that I think
separating the C.B.C.

2524
03:30:35,44 --> 03:30:38,82
But are we are there other areas of
contention just so we can kind of wrap her

2525
03:30:38,83 --> 03:30:41,57
hands around the concert houses presented

2526
03:30:42,00 --> 03:30:46,62
a number of things is this the one area
that's kind of holding us up from moving

2527
03:30:46,63 --> 03:30:53,60
forward and saying good job great we've
proven. To date I'm ready to move

2528
03:30:53,61 --> 03:30:54,39
forward on it as

2529
03:30:54,40 --> 03:31:01,16
a as written. A book called but I
have to get. The right questions from

2530
03:31:01,17 --> 03:31:08,14
Paul. Say. Working in
the room as amended as

2531
03:31:08,15 --> 03:31:15,09
an agenda but the name
and. Roll call. Yes.

2532
03:31:26,36 --> 03:31:32,42
Yes. Yes. Yes.

2533
03:31:34,08 --> 03:31:36,12
Yes. Yes.

2534
03:31:41,16 --> 03:31:47,33
That passes in for us really. All right

2535
03:31:48,29 --> 03:31:54,72
violent twelve twelves moved back up
second OK discussion because this one had

2536
03:31:54,73 --> 03:31:57,84
a question about because when it left the
ordinance we want to double check with

2537
03:31:57,85 --> 03:32:01,73
the solicitor. There was a discussion
or an answer might have been

2538
03:32:01,77 --> 03:32:08,73
a. Separations of. Ours issue
the solicitor way and I.

2539
03:32:09,85 --> 03:32:16,43
Know what. I'll say what
I said at ordinance

2540
03:32:16,58 --> 03:32:21,82
which I know you heard it but I'll just
repeat it for everyone this is this is

2541
03:32:21,83 --> 03:32:27,13
basically taken word for word
out of the charter and. We had

2542
03:32:27,14 --> 03:32:28,64
a the solicitor and I had

2543
03:32:28,65 --> 03:32:35,01
a conversation over e-mail
and on the phone. Back over

2544
03:32:35,02 --> 03:32:40,93
a year ago when we were talking about.
Revising the culture and Recreation

2545
03:32:40,94 --> 03:32:47,88
committee. And. This was the exact
issue that counsel Murphy brought up

2546
03:32:47,92 --> 03:32:54,82
and he. Agreed with me. That. This was

2547
03:32:54,87 --> 03:32:58,78
a phone conversation but then he later
sent an e-mail that said proceed he agreed

2548
03:32:58,78 --> 03:33:01,88
that a power of the counsel
can be delegated to

2549
03:33:01,89 --> 03:33:08,69
a committee which is. I think the
that's the fundamental basis of of

2550
03:33:08,70 --> 03:33:12,39
a committee right is that you have delegated
power to its to it so read that this

2551
03:33:12,40 --> 03:33:16,48
power can be delegated it's the basis of
all the other committees that we just

2552
03:33:16,49 --> 03:33:23,36
adopted so I I hope and so I hope
that the technical issue is. Is

2553
03:33:24,01 --> 03:33:26,87
should be put it could be put
to bed and we still have

2554
03:33:26,95 --> 03:33:30,53
a couple weeks before second reading so we
can we can wait on that the other reason

2555
03:33:30,54 --> 03:33:36,69
dish the reason for this. Counselor President
Dwight was talking about how we have

2556
03:33:36,70 --> 03:33:39,73
so many committees and now you're killing
you we're killing me because I want to I

2557
03:33:39,74 --> 03:33:41,26
want I would your suggestion is to add

2558
03:33:41,27 --> 03:33:45,88
a committee right I've always just did get
rid of and not get it reverts to so you

2559
03:33:45,89 --> 03:33:51,84
know this is quality not quantity that it
was well you weren't saying that but. The

2560
03:33:51,85 --> 03:33:57,63
idea here is that. Is that.
We often we had all actually

2561
03:33:57,64 --> 03:34:03,15
a debate about who was going to plan the
downtown form that we still had planned

2562
03:34:04,02 --> 03:34:09,76
and that's mostly my fault and. We also
have information requests that the

2563
03:34:09,77 --> 03:34:11,67
committee that the hopeful
Council may want to refer to

2564
03:34:11,68 --> 03:34:17,18
a committee. And discussion of
resolutions sometimes we don't have

2565
03:34:17,19 --> 03:34:21,57
a place to refer them to. They come
up and sometimes we want to have

2566
03:34:21,58 --> 03:34:24,43
a discussion about them or form
about them and we don't have

2567
03:34:24,44 --> 03:34:28,27
a we don't have an immediate place to to
handle that and so my suggestion was to

2568
03:34:28,54 --> 03:34:33,82
create this committee the committee meets
mostly at the at the cost at the pleasure

2569
03:34:33,83 --> 03:34:37,04
of the Council when the council first
something to it it meets it does not have

2570
03:34:37,05 --> 03:34:42,30
a standing meeting so I don't think this
is adding too much to the workload and I

2571
03:34:42,31 --> 03:34:47,06
do think that it can serve some purposes
for for public outreach and for public

2572
03:34:47,19 --> 03:34:53,85
communications and discussions
and also best practices. I have

2573
03:34:53,86 --> 03:34:54,81
a that I have

2574
03:34:54,82 --> 03:35:01,43
a. I'm comfortable with the fact that you
know we can get the solicitor to weigh in

2575
03:35:01,44 --> 03:35:05,99
on this before second reading. I did have
the question just brought up which was

2576
03:35:06,16 --> 03:35:09,70
creating another committee were trying to
consolidate them because this committee

2577
03:35:10,69 --> 03:35:14,42
takes action when the full council sends
its something so we appoint it but it

2578
03:35:14,43 --> 03:35:20,66
doesn't do anything unless the council
says do this. But it's an appointed

2579
03:35:20,67 --> 03:35:22,30
committee and

2580
03:35:22,67 --> 03:35:28,27
a philosophically would it make more
sense to have it be and you know if the

2581
03:35:28,28 --> 03:35:33,74
council wants to do that would it makes
more sense making it you know as an ad hoc

2582
03:35:33,75 --> 03:35:40,07
committee gets appointed by issue given
the skill sets of various councillors I

2583
03:35:40,08 --> 03:35:45,79
mean if it's you know if it if the council
wants to look into something that is

2584
03:35:45,80 --> 03:35:50,41
relative to an issue the council president
might go I'd recommend this council or

2585
03:35:50,42 --> 03:35:51,94
that council in that council
or because they have

2586
03:35:51,95 --> 03:35:57,06
a particular skill set in that area
form that committee. And it could be

2587
03:35:57,07 --> 03:36:00,94
a totally different committee for something
else the council wants to look into to

2588
03:36:00,95 --> 03:36:05,26
serve the same function rather than having
three or four councillors appointed to

2589
03:36:05,27 --> 03:36:06,47
a committee that's like

2590
03:36:06,48 --> 03:36:11,14
a catch all for whatever may come along
that's where it has to go but just just

2591
03:36:11,15 --> 03:36:16,56
a thought I mean I understand the concept
behind this committee but if the council

2592
03:36:16,57 --> 03:36:20,83
wants to look into anything it's can
certainly create an ad hoc committee and and

2593
03:36:20,99 --> 03:36:26,69
and assign councillors based on their skill
sets to deal with it you know education

2594
03:36:26,70 --> 03:36:31,92
might be one group and Public Works might
be another suspect ruling for items and.

2595
03:36:33,35 --> 03:36:33,93
That sounds like

2596
03:36:33,94 --> 03:36:38,23
a good idea sounds like one I'd support
what what I what I might do and encourage

2597
03:36:38,24 --> 03:36:41,65
other suitors I might vote for this
in first reading into a yes but have

2598
03:36:41,66 --> 03:36:46,06
a little more time to think through the
ad hoc thing just kind of to let it sit

2599
03:36:46,07 --> 03:36:50,03
a little bit rather than not vote this
it all tonight but to continue the

2600
03:36:50,04 --> 03:36:53,45
conversation so I think I would support
this in first reading but that sounds like

2601
03:36:53,46 --> 03:36:57,41
a good idea just one think there might be
some pieces of that that don't make sense

2602
03:36:57,42 --> 03:36:59,00
it might make more sense to have a be

2603
03:36:59,01 --> 03:37:05,99
a standing committee but. Come to read it
and then you might come to the board as

2604
03:37:06,00 --> 03:37:11,73
well I think I think it makes
perfect sense. But I think it's

2605
03:37:11,74 --> 03:37:18,49
a Cancer Council rules council state that
the council president of science. Members

2606
03:37:18,50 --> 03:37:21,74
of council members to all the committees
and I don't know of any exception to that

2607
03:37:22,10 --> 03:37:24,85
so the council president could
I'm sorry this could be

2608
03:37:24,89 --> 03:37:28,52
a question of one of information are you
saying that the council rules would not

2609
03:37:28,53 --> 03:37:33,42
allow the council president to make an
ad hoc committee not that it can make to

2610
03:37:33,46 --> 03:37:37,59
appoint an ad hoc committee was
just this is. I mean this is

2611
03:37:37,60 --> 03:37:42,11
a standing committee but what I'm saying
is standing just standing back to his

2612
03:37:42,12 --> 03:37:48,19
recommendation are you saying that that
would not. Fit into the consul rules

2613
03:37:48,20 --> 03:37:51,52
Council Murphy is saying it could become
an ad hoc committee that the consul

2614
03:37:51,53 --> 03:37:56,96
present then appoints people by issue and
are you I just want to clarify there are

2615
03:37:56,97 --> 03:38:01,24
you saying that's not allowed by
the car. I think it might take

2616
03:38:01,25 --> 03:38:08,05
a redrafting Can I just say. You can
reverse it actually to go the other way

2617
03:38:08,09 --> 03:38:09,88
it's actually I think you're right but for

2618
03:38:09,89 --> 03:38:15,35
a different reason. And this is why I
support it in principle but I just want to

2619
03:38:16,04 --> 03:38:20,04
keep going with this because. In this
was what I'm going to say I'm skipping

2620
03:38:20,17 --> 03:38:26,79
council I'm sorry. The council president
can appoint councillors at any time so

2621
03:38:27,02 --> 03:38:28,54
what's what's in it you
could actually have this as

2622
03:38:28,55 --> 03:38:30,14
a standing committee
but every time there's

2623
03:38:30,15 --> 03:38:33,56
a referral the council president picks
the councillors are going to be on it

2624
03:38:34,56 --> 03:38:39,73
because. According to our rules and so
far as I know the council president can

2625
03:38:39,74 --> 03:38:46,47
assign. Councillors to committees mid-term
can take one out of one and put one I

2626
03:38:46,47 --> 03:38:50,22
mean that's something that the council
president would hopefully not exercise it

2627
03:38:50,57 --> 03:38:54,88
for political reasons but could and so you
could do the same thing with this one.

2628
03:38:57,54 --> 03:39:04,23
But operative. Council Barger
conference but you could just

2629
03:39:04,24 --> 03:39:04,56
appoint

2630
03:39:04,57 --> 03:39:07,74
a standing committee but you would have
to every particular day of the month that

2631
03:39:07,75 --> 03:39:11,51
it would meet in and it would have to be
like we get courage from the conference

2632
03:39:11,52 --> 03:39:18,37
committee to. This meeting is canceled or
they're due to lack of agenda items and

2633
03:39:18,38 --> 03:39:22,07
just as with this is written is not isn't
this written as you know I'm not sure you

2634
03:39:22,08 --> 03:39:22,46
have to have

2635
03:39:22,47 --> 03:39:28,62
a staff of dozens is not how specific
having specific. Customer because we

2636
03:39:29,27 --> 03:39:33,60
often when I was on appointments you know
we'd move the meeting around sometimes

2637
03:39:33,61 --> 03:39:38,21
based on when the applicants were available
so you know I think the flexibility is

2638
03:39:38,22 --> 03:39:42,21
there yet after reading the rule I don't
think you say Green I don't think it's as

2639
03:39:42,22 --> 03:39:48,37
rigid as I thought and I just don't see
it like that. Like I mean I think this

2640
03:39:48,38 --> 03:39:51,67
really is an ad hoc committee in that in
many respects but the only thing I would

2641
03:39:51,68 --> 03:39:58,55
say against it is that. Sometimes when you
start to say oh well OK well in order to

2642
03:39:58,57 --> 03:40:01,60
this we have to create net hoc committee
everyone's eyes roll back in their heads

2643
03:40:01,61 --> 03:40:06,19
and so on so I would say pass
this and let it and let it be

2644
03:40:06,19 --> 03:40:10,60
a vessel and then when you have issues the
press the president assigns people to

2645
03:40:10,60 --> 03:40:14,55
them according to their interests or skill
sets or what have you and then there

2646
03:40:14,76 --> 03:40:16,35
that issues done the Council becomes

2647
03:40:16,35 --> 03:40:21,47
a ghost Council basically but keep it in
the orders I'm sorry candidates who know

2648
03:40:22,01 --> 03:40:27,84
me yes. So it's been that basically makes
it out talk but it doesn't it doesn't

2649
03:40:27,86 --> 03:40:33,29
create this extra barrier too. Because then
if it's an ad hoc committee so much to

2650
03:40:33,30 --> 03:40:35,73
draft the ad hoc committee
element you have to draft

2651
03:40:35,74 --> 03:40:38,13
a committee and so on and so
forth I'm going to say it's

2652
03:40:38,13 --> 03:40:39,80
a good one which is that it's

2653
03:40:39,81 --> 03:40:43,83
a standing committee with unassigned that's
on the side you know it gets assigned

2654
03:40:43,84 --> 03:40:49,26
as needed Yes I like to think of
the it's an empty vessel until.

2655
03:40:51,81 --> 03:40:56,23
I feel like it I don't like to move the
question question's been moved second.

2656
03:40:58,29 --> 03:41:03,71
Place Yes.

2657
03:41:08,01 --> 03:41:11,97
Yes. Yes yes

2658
03:41:11,44 --> 03:41:18,31
yes yes.

2659
03:41:19,74 --> 03:41:24,96
Thank you Councillor Adams it would take
if I didn't thank you since last Wednesday

2660
03:41:24,96 --> 03:41:27,77
. And we can use as

2661
03:41:27,78 --> 03:41:34,61
a group of fourteen. We're not there yet
when we get thirteen to go number thirty

2662
03:41:34,62 --> 03:41:35,44
three it's that kind of

2663
03:41:35,45 --> 03:41:41,43
a big one to some respects so this is to
all men twenty two dash two through twenty

2664
03:41:41,44 --> 03:41:46,77
two Dash eight the council concert committees
from Aug fifteenth two thousand and

2665
03:41:46,78 --> 03:41:52,09
thirteen table to discipline women yet to
be able to summer fifth twenty thirty.

2666
03:41:53,44 --> 03:41:55,41
Second this question comes from

2667
03:41:55,42 --> 03:42:01,01
a hole in the reason I think we wanted to
delay all of the till this month was we

2668
03:42:01,02 --> 03:42:05,17
didn't want to upset the applecart for all
sitting committees so we figured first

2669
03:42:05,18 --> 03:42:10,88
reading to my second reading at our last
meeting of the year it doesn't do you

2670
03:42:10,90 --> 03:42:15,56
organize committees mid session that's the
reason we did the delay of statute which

2671
03:42:15,58 --> 03:42:22,26
has to to to have this take effect this
is deleting all the counts of yes exactly

2672
03:42:22,45 --> 03:42:28,93
OK that's that's why it was significant
we should have said. So now we have no

2673
03:42:29,24 --> 03:42:34,08
meetings. The second leading up to the
secretary that's what you want to do to

2674
03:42:34,09 --> 03:42:39,54
reading tonight. Yeah it's options

2675
03:42:39,55 --> 03:42:43,85
a bill I'd like to bring this question to
you I'm sorry did you move the question

2676
03:42:43,86 --> 03:42:48,29
move the question second question
zero zero then seconded please.

2677
03:42:50,89 --> 03:42:57,78
Yes yes. Yes. Yes yes

2678
03:42:58,68 --> 03:43:05,63
yes yes. Yes and he wants to spend. Can

2679
03:43:05,64 --> 03:43:08,99
we move us to take that into you know can
I actually can I make your suggestion

2680
03:43:09,86 --> 03:43:14,71
move fourteen through thirty except number
twenty nine. I was going to request

2681
03:43:14,72 --> 03:43:21,29
moving number twenty four as well and
twenty four. One and twenty four so we're

2682
03:43:21,30 --> 03:43:27,10
moving the group of fourteen fifteen
sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty

2683
03:43:27,11 --> 03:43:32,19
twenty one twenty two twenty three. Twenty
five twenty six twenty seven twenty

2684
03:43:32,20 --> 03:43:38,01
eight thirty correct so moved on second.

2685
03:43:39,90 --> 03:43:46,31
OK It's you were just pulling it out to
twenty four and twenty nine. The town

2686
03:43:46,32 --> 03:43:52,77
crier and the commissions
and committees. Any

2687
03:43:52,78 --> 03:43:59,26
discussion on the. Roll call

2688
03:43:59,27 --> 03:44:04,76
please I think I.

2689
03:44:06,22 --> 03:44:11,89
Should. Yes. Yes yes.

2690
03:44:12,92 --> 03:44:19,59
Yes yes. Yes yes. I.

2691
03:44:22,26 --> 03:44:25,84
Will go to number twenty four which is the
establishment appointment of the town

2692
03:44:25,85 --> 03:44:31,30
crier. Of the notion of sex.

2693
03:44:34,43 --> 03:44:39,71
I've got an interesting history lesson today
about this I thought it was this this

2694
03:44:39,72 --> 03:44:40,33
quaint into

2695
03:44:40,34 --> 03:44:44,83
a quickie that sat here forever the original
charter of the community was actually

2696
03:44:44,84 --> 03:44:46,80
established in one thousand
nine hundred six somewhat of

2697
03:44:46,81 --> 03:44:53,70
a promotional given. Gentleman who became
the town crier. Left under very due

2698
03:44:53,82 --> 03:44:59,59
to circumstances the loop and the city
also provided him with knickers shirt and

2699
03:44:59,63 --> 03:45:06,56
felt. Very wears the puffy
shirt now he took off he went

2700
03:45:06,61 --> 03:45:13,55
to jail with. Well. You know I'd be
willing to extend the something to find

2701
03:45:13,56 --> 03:45:14,83
out the story like

2702
03:45:14,84 --> 03:45:20,97
a patient request Yeah OK but my
concern is is that this actually.

2703
03:45:22,73 --> 03:45:29,47
We don't have any applicants for Tom Pryor
we actually have no need for Pryor. We

2704
03:45:29,48 --> 03:45:34,55
have actually any number of citizens who
serve as Town Criers as defacto Tom Cross

2705
03:45:34,55 --> 03:45:39,56
. I think keeping something
in because it's cute is not

2706
03:45:39,57 --> 03:45:42,80
a good idea necessarily And it also sets

2707
03:45:42,81 --> 03:45:49,64
a soft for some. Errors from an that we
don't need to experience beyond the regular

2708
03:45:49,65 --> 03:45:55,21
embarrassments that we have to deal with
so actually I think when that came up it

2709
03:45:55,22 --> 03:45:58,90
was at the working group meeting the counselor
Adams visit and we wanted to appoint

2710
03:45:58,91 --> 03:46:04,11
him to him. As he was at the meeting and
he did and he did look great in knickers

2711
03:46:04,12 --> 03:46:04,19
in

2712
03:46:04,20 --> 03:46:08,87
a puff ish or we just didn't tell him what
we call stories he's already out on so you

2713
03:46:08,88 --> 03:46:12,84
don't supply now to read actually what it
said I'm recommending to save on sort of

2714
03:46:12,85 --> 03:46:18,64
the So you're saying delete delete button
five stroke one so what you're saying I

2715
03:46:18,65 --> 03:46:23,12
would like to I like to call the do it for
deletion So that's an amendment to get

2716
03:46:24,02 --> 03:46:29,55
us to move to it but it's an amendment to
the if we just don't pass that ordinance

2717
03:46:29,97 --> 03:46:35,68
is it going to have or we don't.
Then it's just gone in the. Right

2718
03:46:36,61 --> 03:46:42,13
but so if it doesn't get that it's not moved
and seconded as we move you were sorry

2719
03:46:42,19 --> 03:46:49,17
oh I like I said. Can I please
isn't this isn't the town

2720
03:46:49,18 --> 03:46:53,25
crier already established in the in
the ordinance we're just deleting the

2721
03:46:53,26 --> 03:46:57,90
appointment authority right so if if we
don't do many if we fight if we vote

2722
03:46:57,91 --> 03:47:04,36
against it then it stays on the books
right there to us so far as I can tell

2723
03:47:04,37 --> 03:47:10,16
there's two ways to fix this the
council. The council deletes this.

2724
03:47:11,74 --> 03:47:18,68
Bit of law entirely where
the mayor. That submits

2725
03:47:18,69 --> 03:47:18,76
in

2726
03:47:18,77 --> 03:47:23,29
a ministry of order to the council that deletes
it. Well that with the basically deleted

2727
03:47:23,33 --> 03:47:26,92
Yeah that may be the better way to go I
actually think to refix next time there's

2728
03:47:26,93 --> 03:47:33,53
something. But I just can't I think
that's better because the mayor

2729
03:47:34,28 --> 03:47:40,81
the mayor has it has signaled. No

2730
03:47:40,98 --> 03:47:46,30
urgency to pass administrative or to
submit administrative orders and the last

2731
03:47:46,31 --> 03:47:53,20
possible day to September so. If the
council does it now you're saving him

2732
03:47:53,62 --> 03:47:56,11
the potential embarrassment
of having to have someone in

2733
03:47:56,12 --> 03:48:02,40
a tri corner hat and knickers Yeah it's why
I see no reason if it's to go with the

2734
03:48:02,41 --> 03:48:08,75
former solution just have the council do
it tonight. It's been moved and seconded

2735
03:48:08,77 --> 03:48:12,59
So he so we're deleting it so could what
it meant to him we amended don't we can

2736
03:48:13,06 --> 03:48:19,49
you say we're making an amendment to
delete it so friendly and then write. The

2737
03:48:19,50 --> 03:48:24,69
other amendment proposed this is the to
do with downgrade deletion of item twenty

2738
03:48:24,70 --> 03:48:30,64
four the ordinance you were doing actually
that I'm looking for that. You got here

2739
03:48:30,100 --> 03:48:35,40
it's in the chart it's in the code of order
since this is an ordinance of the city

2740
03:48:35,41 --> 03:48:39,42
in Northampton broad global blah blah
blah be ordained by the city council city

2741
03:48:39,43 --> 03:48:43,86
Northampton the city council symbols as
follows The section one hundred five dash

2742
03:48:43,87 --> 03:48:49,78
one of the code ordinances of the city north
and to be amended to that such section

2743
03:48:49,79 --> 03:48:54,81
shall read as follows establishment
appointment there shall be establish the

2744
03:48:54,82 --> 03:48:59,35
position of town crier to be appointed by
the mayor and what Glenn which has been

2745
03:48:59,36 --> 03:49:04,09
amended changes subject to confirmation
by the city council to serve the term Mr

2746
03:49:04,10 --> 03:49:10,98
President for years and. That's what's
you know before. This is difficult

2747
03:49:10,99 --> 03:49:16,26
because we have to waive walls
but may I suggest that we vote

2748
03:49:18,74 --> 03:49:25,46
I suggest we vote this
down. And then and then we

2749
03:49:25,50 --> 03:49:27,61
we say we we we create

2750
03:49:27,62 --> 03:49:34,26
a knave out on this and then at the
December at our next meeting we delete

2751
03:49:34,30 --> 03:49:41,24
chapter one of five. In its entirety and
do two readings and Mr President with

2752
03:49:41,25 --> 03:49:43,26
them to vote against any
way to get anything it's

2753
03:49:43,27 --> 03:49:46,62
a look it's ten fifty nine if we don't focus
on you ation that we're going to be in

2754
03:49:46,63 --> 03:49:52,50
a Catch twenty two all right and we just
ended. All right in the middle of this

2755
03:49:52,51 --> 03:49:57,39
right now all those who favor of suspending
rules to extend the meaning beyond the

2756
03:49:57,77 --> 03:50:03,60
one o'clock I opposed they. Sentence.

2757
03:50:05,21 --> 03:50:11,95
Lived to work another day.
I said no three notice oh

2758
03:50:12,51 --> 03:50:16,91
oh no you need to have labor at the five
you need to have six motion to reconsider

2759
03:50:17,44 --> 03:50:20,79
you have you have to have sixty as a
condition reconsider OK There's been

2760
03:50:20,80 --> 03:50:26,45
a motion to reconsider all those in favor
reconsideration please say I was all

2761
03:50:26,46 --> 03:50:33,00
right we're now reconsidering motion. There
is no is motions dismantles there's no

2762
03:50:33,10 --> 03:50:39,86
you got to vote on the motion motion
disliking to expand. On it and it's been

2763
03:50:39,87 --> 03:50:45,39
seconded all those in favor
please I opposed may.

2764
03:50:47,15 --> 03:50:53,59
One day is that OK so. All right I'm going
to do one on this now but also points

2765
03:50:53,60 --> 03:50:59,64
out that if we vote this down because we're
this proposals to amend the language

2766
03:50:59,65 --> 03:51:06,62
which allows subject to confirmation
by the council. It doesn't matter.

2767
03:51:07,80 --> 03:51:13,32
The point is if we if if we delete the
entire section next meeting the only thing

2768
03:51:13,33 --> 03:51:17,08
we have to risk is that someone applies
for town crier between now and the next

2769
03:51:17,09 --> 03:51:22,14
meeting in one thousand year reich. Polish
to lecture you just post postponement

2770
03:51:22,15 --> 03:51:24,20
let's postpone it you know there's

2771
03:51:24,21 --> 03:51:30,11
a bunch of the next meal ticket on number
twenty for all those who favor Hi Hi Oh

2772
03:51:30,12 --> 03:51:37,08
yes. We're doing twenty nine and
then I'd actually like to add on

2773
03:51:37,09 --> 03:51:41,42
new business of village
idiot. And I apply for.

2774
03:51:44,83 --> 03:51:51,65
Number twenty nine this is. This is
twenty two dash one through twenty two

2775
03:51:51,66 --> 03:51:53,78
dash eleven commissions and committees as

2776
03:51:53,79 --> 03:51:59,36
a first reading. Except
emotion so moved second as

2777
03:51:59,37 --> 03:52:05,79
a present from Freeman did like
to amend this to. To delete.

2778
03:52:06,99 --> 03:52:13,54
Sections twenty two one through twenty
two eight not delete twenty two

2779
03:52:13,55 --> 03:52:19,04
nine twenty two ten. And
delete twenty two eleven

2780
03:52:20,37 --> 03:52:22,89
call for Could you not but that's
my Molly get as many I need

2781
03:52:22,90 --> 03:52:29,79
a second thank you note. The discussion
and you know. Just not just not

2782
03:52:29,80 --> 03:52:36,72
delete twenty two nine twenty two
ten. And everything. Yes man.

2783
03:52:41,10 --> 03:52:47,52
Can separate. The He's

2784
03:52:47,77 --> 03:52:54,06
proposing them and them into the deletions
so concert reminding us please Mr

2785
03:52:54,07 --> 03:53:00,39
President if we. I think this was an
oversight by the solicitor if we delete

2786
03:53:01,05 --> 03:53:06,22
the Board of Public Works City Council
Conference Committee and the city council

2787
03:53:06,27 --> 03:53:12,93
school committee conference committee. We
have no method of of putting them back in

2788
03:53:12,94 --> 03:53:17,25
place when the new council complains and
so in other words those two committees

2789
03:53:17,26 --> 03:53:23,82
those two conference committees would cease
to be to exist. And I think that they

2790
03:53:23,83 --> 03:53:24,55
both served

2791
03:53:24,56 --> 03:53:28,82
a valuable purpose for this council and
for the city so I hope that the council

2792
03:53:28,83 --> 03:53:33,16
would keep those two committees OK until
such time as the mayor reorganizes

2793
03:53:33,17 --> 03:53:39,95
government. Come from. The Wasn't the process
of this just to take these things out

2794
03:53:39,96 --> 03:53:46,94
of warden says. Make them orders Yeah
but we can't we we can't work. I'm

2795
03:53:46,95 --> 03:53:47,37
sorry it's

2796
03:53:47,38 --> 03:53:52,04
a flow of business here. Councillor Adams
I'm going to presume you've raised your

2797
03:53:52,05 --> 03:53:58,45
hand so good if. We can't
recreate some of these

2798
03:53:59,59 --> 03:54:04,79
just by council rule we don't have that
authority now and I don't think this came

2799
03:54:04,80 --> 03:54:10,81
up during their that. The ordinance review
committee but we can't we can't create

2800
03:54:10,82 --> 03:54:15,44
a multi-member body ourselves we can only
create council committees and so we can't

2801
03:54:15,93 --> 03:54:19,82
we can't under the new charter which we are
under we can't mandate for example the

2802
03:54:19,83 --> 03:54:23,03
board of it works to be part of our
committees they're not they're part of the

2803
03:54:23,04 --> 03:54:28,94
executive branch. And the school committees.
And this and the school committee

2804
03:54:29,32 --> 03:54:34,95
isn't completely independent can't mandated
they partake in any meetings with us

2805
03:54:34,96 --> 03:54:40,22
outside of the charter. So I agree with
the amendment but you know we're also in

2806
03:54:40,23 --> 03:54:43,78
here there's also transportation parking
commission commission committee on

2807
03:54:43,79 --> 03:54:46,90
disability capital improvements central
business architecture Community

2808
03:54:46,91 --> 03:54:52,20
Preservation Elstree historic Titian
historic district commission north of the

2809
03:54:52,21 --> 03:54:57,58
rebuilding authority and Zoning Board
of Appeals which I believe are all most

2810
03:54:57,59 --> 03:55:04,56
memorable Adi's too so. All of
those involved in Freeman. So this

2811
03:55:04,57 --> 03:55:04,69
is

2812
03:55:04,70 --> 03:55:11,83
a rather cumbersome. Single ordinance
Amendment but really what we're deleting

2813
03:55:12,12 --> 03:55:17,33
out of it is the sort of the general
preamble of the Council powers and the

2814
03:55:17,34 --> 03:55:22,65
different committees that are primarily
associate with the Council. That list that

2815
03:55:22,69 --> 03:55:29,47
council Adams just read off to far as
I know it is explicitly stating that

2816
03:55:29,48 --> 03:55:34,15
councillors can't serve on those multiple
member bodies which we know is the case.

2817
03:55:35,36 --> 03:55:42,31
In its by charter. The part
that were the part that

2818
03:55:42,32 --> 03:55:48,82
I guess that I I'm not separating out
because it's kind of cumbersome is the. The

2819
03:55:48,83 --> 03:55:54,43
very beginning in Section twenty two Desh
one where the council president is by

2820
03:55:54,44 --> 03:56:01,34
laws given them the ability to assign
counselors to. Twenty two to the

2821
03:56:01,38 --> 03:56:03,12
Board of Public Works
conference committee in

2822
03:56:03,13 --> 03:56:07,70
a school committee conference committee
but I believe that that right is included

2823
03:56:07,71 --> 03:56:12,86
in the charter so I don't think that it
absolutely has to be in the bill code of

2824
03:56:12,87 --> 03:56:16,37
ordinances but we can get that clarified
by the solicitor by next meeting.

2825
03:56:24,43 --> 03:56:29,44
To put together this was going to be my
suggestion that because this we don't have

2826
03:56:29,45 --> 03:56:33,76
to do it to meetings on this very last
meeting because none of this was supposed to

2827
03:56:33,77 --> 03:56:37,38
think affect Dylan anyway so maybe
rather than messing with the D.N.A.

2828
03:56:37,39 --> 03:56:42,96
Tonight at eleven o'clock we'll do we.
I'll second the motion to continue to our

2829
03:56:42,97 --> 03:56:48,10
next meeting and we can make sure we
got it right. Right so it's better.

2830
03:56:49,92 --> 03:56:56,88
They were able I. Bring this up
item number thirty one of that's

2831
03:56:56,89 --> 03:57:03,38
just amend Chapter sixteen for dash six
and that's Klain and this is upon the

2832
03:57:03,39 --> 03:57:07,46
recommendation of counsel on Freeman Daniels
and ordinance and to the north and to

2833
03:57:07,47 --> 03:57:08,04
the point of

2834
03:57:08,12 --> 03:57:14,04
a move to move referred to or ordinance
its second motion to Mainz act for

2835
03:57:14,05 --> 03:57:18,53
ordinances as to. The disco
to transportation parking.

2836
03:57:22,68 --> 03:57:29,62
In false or hope and that if the OK so
it's the role to transportation parking

2837
03:57:29,63 --> 03:57:36,27
an ordinance. Only come I don't know

2838
03:57:36,45 --> 03:57:43,23
but we have OK so those emotions are
second up. The customer second OK So

2839
03:57:43,34 --> 03:57:50,14
is there discussion going for. Them
special and from. All those in favor

2840
03:57:50,16 --> 03:57:53,04
referring please say I thought I'd post.

2841
03:57:58,43 --> 03:58:03,65
Let's see. We who signed up for
the St Patrick's Day parade.

2842
03:58:05,04 --> 03:58:11,99
It was it was. Very. Personal you. Know.

2843
03:58:13,44 --> 03:58:20,16
He. Pays for American tell
I have nothing else to

2844
03:58:20,44 --> 03:58:26,78
do any information requests we've got
one more meeting. Any new business.

2845
03:58:27,93 --> 03:58:32,18
Up motions your don't move check it
all those in favor I thank you all.

2846
03:58:38,22 --> 03:58:39,17
Again.